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some avatars are so cool that they transcend time.
Yours definetly fits that category. Makes me smile everytime I see it. Reminds me of Stewie Griffin doing the same thing in his baby bed, only the machine gun is pointed up- a Rambo 2 moment I think.
SPencer
 
Yours definetly fits that category. Makes me smile everytime I see it. Reminds me of Stewie Griffin doing the same thing in his baby bed, only the machine gun is pointed up- a Rambo 2 moment I think.
SPencer

Spencermm either you are too easily amused, or else you really do belong in Iraq or Afghanistan. Maybe you could talk to the recruiters again?
 
Science fans, and some scientists, forget that all science is merely inference. They attempt instead to elevate their science to dogma.

BS, you either don't know what science is or you don't know what dogma is (or both)
 
Spencermm either you are too easily amused, or else you really do belong in Iraq or Afghanistan. Maybe you could talk to the recruiters again?
Neras, I am WAY easily amused, I DO belong in Iraq or Afghanistan, AND I would love hang with you my Brother.
You and I, we two Christians, don't see eye to eye on everything, but I got a feeling we would enjoy each other's company.
Spencer
 
I'm glad to see most folks are rational in here! I do see where the creationist or now the new thing is "intelligent design" folks are coming from. It was once explained to me that all the elements to create life must have been combined by what they believe to be God. I think when people visualize God as human, the whole creation theory is far fetched. Especially if you go the Adam and Eve route. However, I don't see God in human form but more as Mother Nature which for me clearly explains how life began in the sea and evolved to what we SEA (PUN INTENDED) today. Thank God for that cause we wouldn't have this sport we love so much!
 
And the nearest that you actually get to contemporaneity with the alleged Jesus is more than 30 years after his death. Sorry ... game, set, match. You really do need to go back to school, or at least learn to read the entire thread before you bloviate.

Consider the following list. These are the historians and writers who DID live within Christ's alleged lifetime or within a hundred years of it, after the time:

Apollonius
Appian
Arrian
Aulus Gellius
Columella
Damis
Dio Chrysostom
Dion Pruseus
Epictetus
Favorinus
Florus Lucius
Hermogones
Josephus
Justus of Tiberius
Juvenal
Lucanus
Lucian
Lysias
Martial
Paterculus
Pausanias
Persius
Petronius
Phaedrus
Philo-Judaeus
Phlegon
Pliny the Elder
Pliny the Younger
Plutarch
Pompon Mela
Ptolemy
Quintilian
Quintius Curtius
Seneca
Silius Italicus
Statius
Suetonius
Tacitus
Theon of Smyran
Valerius Flaccus
Valerius Maximus

Yet, aside from two FORGED passages in the works of a Jewish writer, and two disputed passages in the works of Roman writers, there isn't ANY mention of Jesus Christ. At all. Consider:
"Philo was born before the beginning of the Christian era, and lived until long after the reputed death of Christ. He wrote an account of the Jews covering the entire time that Christ is said to have existed on earth. He was living in or near Jerusalem when Christ's miraculous birth and the Herodian massacred occurred. He was there when Christ made his triumphal entry into Jerusalem. He was there when the crucifixion with its attendant earthquake, supernatural darkness, and resurrection of the dead took place -- when Christ himself rose from the dead, and in the rpesence of many witnesses ascended into heaven. "These marvelous events which must have filled the world with amazement, had they really occurred, we unknown to him. It was Philo who developed the doctrine of the Logos, or Word, and although this Word incarnate dwelt in that very land and in the presence of multitudes revealed himself and demonstrated his divine powers, Philo saw it not.

"Justus of Tiberius was a native of Christ's own country, Galilee. He wrote a history covering this time of Christ's reputed existence. This work has perished, but Photius, a Christian scholar and critic of the ninth century, who was acquainted with it, says: 'He (Justus) makes not the least mention of the appearances of Christ, of what things happened to him, or of the wonderful works that he did' (Photius' Bibliotheca, code 33).

"Josephus: Late in the first century, Josephus wrote his celebrated work, "The Antiquities of the Jews", giving a history of his race from the earliest ages down to his own time. Modern versions of this work contain the following passage:
"'Now there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works; a teacher of such men as received the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was (the) Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day. (Book XVIII, Chapter iii, Section 3).'​
"For nearly sixteen hundred years Christians have been citing this passage as a testimonial, not merely to the historical existence, but to the divine character of Jesus Christ. And yet a ranker forgery was never penned. "Its language is Christian. Every line proclaims it the work of a Christian writer. 'If it be lawful to call him a man.' 'He was the Christ.' 'He appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him.'

"These are the words of a Christian, a believer in the divinity of Christ. Josephus was a Jew, a devout believer in the Jewish faith -- the last man in the world to acknowledge the divinity of Christ. The inconsistency of this evidence was early recognized, and Abrose, writing in the generation succeeding its first appearance (360 A.D.), offers the following explanation, which only a theologican could frame:
"'If the Jews do not believe us, let them, at least, believe their own writers. Josephus, whom they esteem a great man, hath said this, and yet hath he spoken truth after such a manner; and so far was his mind wandered from the right way, that even he was not a believer as to what he himself said; but thus he spake, in order to deliver historical truth, because he thought it not lawful for him to deceive, while yet he was no believer, because of the hardness of his heart, and his perfidious intentiion.'​
"Its brevity disproves its authenticity. Josephus' work is voluminous and exhaustive. It comprises twenty books. Whole pages are devoted to petty robbers and obscure seditious leaders. Nearly fourty chapters are devoted to the life of a single king. Yet this remarkable being, the greatest product of his race, a being of whom the prophets foretold ten thousand wonderful things, a being greater than any earthly king, is dismissed more than thirty years after his death with a dozen lines."

You neglect to mention the fact that Josephus referenced Jesus twice. The first is considered authentic by ANY serious historian, the 2nd a forgery by a follower of Christ. Oddly enough had this scribe not taken the works of Josephus as seriously as he did, we would know very little of Josephus. Furthermore its a well established fact that Josephus's historical references have been proven 100% correct.
 
You haven't been paying attention, have you. Or maybe you've been paying a little too much attention to your preacher, and not enough to the scientists...

Any how, aside from a vocal minority, few scientists make the claim you state above. As myself, and several others have pointed out hundreds of times in this thread SCIENCE DOES NOT DEAL WITH THE METAPHYSICAL. Science can no more disprove or prove the existence of god, than the bible can tell us the number of protons you'll find in the nucleus of plutonium.

So science makes no claims vis-a-vis god. Any such claims are either the scientists personal view, or more likely in your case, parroting the hateful words of an anti-science zealot preacher.

Bryan

The only hateful zealot I've dealt with lately is you. Sorry...if the shoe fits.:shakehead:
 
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