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In the recent thread about DM training nothing was mentioned about liability. If heared some horror stories out here in SoCal about DMs getting sucked into legal issues just because they happened to be in the proximity of an accident even though the diver invloved in the accident was unknown to them and not under their supervision. I have been cautioned against pursuing DM because of the additional liability exposure. This is true for anyone who recieves any kind leadership cert. Are the legal concerns usually covered advance of or during DM or other leadership training?

Steve
 
I hate lawyers!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rats.
 
Absolutely not!!!

You can only get sued if you have direct involvement in the accident. Does that mean you can't get named in a suit? No, you can still get named. But if you were not part of the situation, then you will be dropped from the suit.

For example, there are stories that DMs and instructors can be sued when an accident happens when they are on vacation and NOT supervising the other divers.

Another reason to buy liability insurance.

Duane
 
The PADI DM course does go into legal issues. The key concept is duty of care - ensuring that you and the divers you're responsible for adhere to appropriate standards & procedures. Here in Canada, a divemaster is also required to carry professional liability insurance which will assist with legal costs. What you're talking about in SoCal sounds like lawyers trying to drag more people into a suit in order to extract a better settlement - it'd be interesting to look into whether they're ever successful.

It's kind of a tricky area if you're at a dive site and you see people violating standards & not following appropriate procedures. As a professional, you should speak out and bring up the issue with the other divers even when they're not associated with you. However, you may risk getting punched in the nose if you don't exercise enough tact. On the other hand, you can't police the world and if something doesn't actually amount to an egregious violation of standards, should you actually get involved and risk acting like a fool over what could actually be just a difference of opinions as to how to follow standards? It's a judgement call, and lawyers are always pleased to second-guess your judgement...
 
DiverDunk:
In the recent thread about DM training nothing was mentioned about liability. If heared some horror stories out here in SoCal about DMs getting sucked into legal issues just because they happened to be in the proximity of an accident even though the diver invloved in the accident was unknown to them and not under their supervision. I have been cautioned against pursuing DM because of the additional liability exposure. This is true for anyone who recieves any kind leadership cert. Are the legal concerns usually covered advance of or during DM or other leadership training?

Steve

Exactly why somone should consider if they really want to be a DM or not. It is not "just another certification". Too many people think they want the knowledge and that is the only way to get it. This could not be further from the truth. There are a lot of certifications that provide good DM level diving knowledege without the liability of being a DM. These courses range from a good tech courses to a few courses offered by recreational agencies. If that is not enough then any good instructor will work with you to customize a course to provide you the type of experience and knowledge you want (although this typically would not be a certification).

If you get your DM then you will have to pay agency dues to maintaing your active status. Then if you are smart you maintain your insurance which can be $400+ a year. Even if you are not assisting with classes or working as a DM you can still get sucked into a lawsuit that you would need to defend yourself against and it is much better to have insurance when that happens.

I am not putting down those that do become DM's but if somone does it just for the little black card (in the case of PADI) and do not understand what it means then they are doing it for the wrong reason.
 
AtomicWalrus:
What you're talking about in SoCal sounds like lawyers trying to drag more people into a suit in order to extract a better settlement - it'd be interesting to look into whether they're ever successful.

It really does not matter if they are sucessful because the DM is still in the position of having to defend a lawsuit.
 
DiverDunk:
In the recent thread about DM training nothing was mentioned about liability. If heared some horror stories out here in SoCal about DMs getting sucked into legal issues just because they happened to be in the proximity of an accident even though the diver invloved in the accident was unknown to them and not under their supervision. I have been cautioned against pursuing DM because of the additional liability exposure. This is true for anyone who recieves any kind leadership cert. Are the legal concerns usually covered advance of or during DM or other leadership training?

Steve

I'm very lucky where I live. There has to actually be a case before you can drag someone into court. The Dutch system isn't perfect but it sure makes you do your homework before you go suing people for things....

In some countries you can get sued for anything. In the U.S., for example, I think you could get sued as a DM because you were in proximity and did nothing (no follow-up on duty of care). Or you were in proximity and did something that didn't help even if it was the right thing (ie, you phoned 911 but it clearly wasn't fast enough because the patient died), or you were in proximity and hesitated or in proximity and did the wrong thing, or you knew the brother-in-law of the cook at a greasy-spoon three doors down from the shop where the diver in question bought a snorkel..... Point is, you can always be dragged into court. It's the risk you take for being a professional at anything. Chances are nothing will come of it but you can still be dragged through the system.

R..
 
Right, but getting yourself extracted from such legal entanglements is not free. Does liability insurance cover legal fees in the event you are found to have no liability?

jhnsndn:
Absolutely not!!!

You can only get sued if you have direct involvement in the accident. Does that mean you can't get named in a suit? No, you can still get named. But if you were not part of the situation, then you will be dropped from the suit.

For example, there are stories that DMs and instructors can be sued when an accident happens when they are on vacation and NOT supervising the other divers.

Another reason to buy liability insurance.

Duane
 
Most DMs and instructors I know take care not to identify themselves as such when diving "on holiday". They just present their AOW card in order to dive.
 
It's kind of a tricky area if you're at a dive site and you see people violating standards & not following appropriate procedures. As a professional, you should speak out and bring up the issue with the other divers even when they're not associated with you.

Actually, that's precisely what you DO NOT want to do if the people are not associated with you or your shop and you want to keep yourself out of court. Aside from instantly making yourself a target, you will lose the legal shield you enjoyed right up to the moment you decided to intervene.

California courts recognize that a person generally does not owe any duty to control the conduct of a third person or to warn those endangered by such conduct. Zelig v. County of Los Angeles, 45 P.3d 1171 (Cal. 2002).

The California Supreme Court stated in Zelig that a duty to warn or control only arises under limited circumstances: "A duty to control the conduct of another or to warn persons endangered by such conduct may arise, however, out of what is called a 'special relationship'. Such a duty may arise if '"(a) a special relation exists between the actor [you] and the third person [the idiot teaching wrong standards] which imposes a duty upon the actor to control the third person's conduct, or (b) a special relation exists between the actor and the other [the poor students] which gives the other a right to protection." ' Id; see also Hernandez v. City of Pomona (1996) 49 Cal.App.4th 1492, 1499, 57 Cal.Rptr.2d 406.) ' "This rule derives from the common law's distinction between misfeasance and nonfeasance, and its reluctance to impose liability for the latter." ' (Hoff v. Vacaville Unified School Dist., supra, 19 Cal.4th at p. 933, 80 Cal.Rptr.2d 811, 968 P.2d 522.

Per se "special relationships" recognized by the Court in other cases include parent/child relationships and psychotherapist/patient relationships. The Court also found a special relationship to arise when a sheriff expressly promised a particular citizen to inform her when a certain criminal was released on parole. From these circumstances and from general case law, one may conclude that a special relationship can arise when (1) a recognized legal duty exists, and (2) an actor voluntarily obligates himself/herself to the duty. I am unaware of a general legal duty of divemasters to the general population to warn them or intervene when the DM sees a standards violation.

Once you stick your nose into something, you assume whatever duty of care applies to the situation. If you are a professional or quasi-professional (e.g. a divemaster) you assume the duty of care applicable to such a professional, which is invariably more stringent than the duty owed by the average joe on the beach who undertakes the task.

If it is any comfort, there is no reported case in the United States where a DM has been held liable for an accident when s/he was merely a bystander (at least that I have found in my Westlaw searches) .
 

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