Fishing for Goliath Grouper?

[Deep Down Diver]

Koenig focused on mercury, I thought. But I could be wrong.

I've been a biologist in FL for over 20 years. I am from FL and I've been diving in FL for 35 years. I'm not going to argue with youtube.

Please send me a peer reviewed paper that has population data.

Here ya go Iggy:

Atlantic Goliath Grouper of Florida: To Fish or Not to Fish - Koenig - 2020 - Fisheries - Wiley Online Library
https://afspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/fsh.10349

 

[Scraps]

Do "observational selection" on charter fishing boat captains/spearfishermen who complain to the FWC in public workshops that goliath grouper steal fish from their customer lines/spears....

That's an important and reliable data source because fishermen never lie about the fish that got away or the reason they got away.

 

[greeniguana]

Here ya go Iggy:

Atlantic Goliath Grouper of Florida: To Fish or Not to Fish - Koenig - 2020 - Fisheries - Wiley Online Library
https://afspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/fsh.10349

Thanks. The only population data he referenced are what has been rejected after peer review. All of SEDAR's stuff is publicly available, even the peer review reports. And for your reading enjoyment here's a SEDAR 47 (2016) summary (one of 3), worth a read.

http://sedarweb.org/docs/wsupp/2016_07 Rice SEDAR 47 review report.pdf

And here's the whole Koenig article:

https://www.reefrelief.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/To-Fish-or-Not-to-Fish.pdf

 

[Deep Down Diver]

Thanks. The only population data he referenced are what has been rejected after peer review. All of SEDAR's stuff is publicly available, even the peer review reports. And for your reading enjoyment here's a SEDAR 47 (2016) summary (one of 3), worth a read.

http://sedarweb.org/docs/wsupp/2016_07 Rice SEDAR 47 review report.pdf

And here's the whole Koenig article:

https://www.reefrelief.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/To-Fish-or-Not-to-Fish.pdf

I've read all of the independent expert rejections of the past three stock assessments. Have you?

On what scientific base did you like Tekky Divers claim the 300 +pound goliaths are ravaging the reefs?

 

[greeniguana]

I've read all of the independent expert rejections of the past three stock assessments. Have you?

On what scientific base did you like Tekky Divers claim the 300 +pound goliaths are ravaging the reefs?

Yes.

And for the umpteenth time. I did not make the reef ravaging claim. I do not support that claim and I'm not trying to validate that claim. On what "scientific base" are you attacking me?

This is really just getting to be painful, so I'll just stop.

 

[Pipehorse]

Yes.

And for the umpteenth time. I did not make the reef ravaging claim. I do not support that claim and I'm not trying to validate that claim. On what "scientific base" are you attacking me?

This is really just getting to be painful, so I'll just stop.

What I find painful is when somebody attempts to gaslight me. Tekkydiver made the claim, JIm Blay stated there was no data to back up the claim. Then you Iguana, stated that since there is no data the claim can't be proved wrong (a la appeal to ignorance).

 

[greeniguana]

What I find painful is when somebody attempts to gaslight me. Tekkydiver made the claim, JIm Blay stated there was no data to back up the claim. Then you Iguana, stated that since there is no data the claim can't be proved wrong (a la appeal to ignorance).

You're misrepresentating what I wrote, but OK. You win.

I'm appealing to ignorance by continuing to argue about this. Not worth it, but you have fun, big guy.

 

[Pipehorse]

There's no data to prove that claim is wrong, either.

Because there's no data.

The only person misrepresenting anything is you.

 

[NothingClever]

A dive shop owner who also spearfishes commercially told me he wouldn’t want anything to do with sticking big groupers…full of worms and restaurants won’t buy.

 

[johndiver999]

(Having trouble viewing this email? View it as a Web page.) Oct. 13, 2022 Suggested Tweet: Applications for @MyFWC limited recreational harvest of #goliath grouper in #Florida waters open Oct. 15: Applications for limited recreational harvest of goliath grouper in state waters open Oct. 15 #fishing Applications for limited recreational harvest of goliath grouper in state waters open Oct. 15 The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) will soon accept applications for the first harvest of goliath grouper in state waters since 1990. Those interested can apply anytime from Oct. 15-30, 2022, for the upcoming 2023 season, which will be a highly regulated limited harvest. This unique recreational opportunity is possible through successful conservation efforts by state and federal agencies over the past three decades that aided goliath grouper population rebuilding following years of overfishing. The limited-entry harvest will allow additional access to a fishery that has been catch-and-release only since 1990 by issuing permits via random-draw lottery. The cost to apply is $10 plus fees and permit lottery applications will be available online at GoOutdoorsFlorida.com. Details for this limited, highly regulated harvest include: Total recreational harvest of up to 200 goliath per year, with a maximum of 50 from Everglades National Park. A goliath harvest permit and tag, issued via a random-draw lottery ($150 for residents, $500 for non-residents, plus fees) are required to participate. Permits and tags are non-transferable and no exemptions apply. A limit of one fish per person per open season with permit and tag. An open season from March 1 through May 31. Hook-and-line as the only allowable gear. A slot limit of 24-36 inches total length. Post-harvest requirements including proper application of the tag, reporting harvest data and submitting a fin clip for genetic analysis. Harvest will be permitted in all state waters except those of Martin County south through the Atlantic coast of the Keys, all of the St. Lucie River and its tributaries, and Dry Tortugas National Park. Harvest will continue to be prohibited in federal waters. “The highly regulated, limited take of goliath grouper is an exciting and unique opportunity to provide access to this resource after decades of closure and we believe limited access is sustainable,” said FWC Commissioner Robert Spottswood. “We also look forward to collecting the post-harvest data to help guide future management decisions for this species.” This opportunity is intended to provide additional access to this fishery while balancing the values of various stakeholder groups. Adult goliath grouper will continue to be prohibited from harvest statewide as well as goliath in heavy dive ecotourism areas. This limited harvest is not intended to address fishing depredation concerns. For more information about the goliath grouper harvest permit and details on the permit lottery and eligibility requirements, visit our Goliath Grouper Harvest Permit webpage. For more information about goliath grouper regulations, visit MyFWC.com/Marine and click on “Recreational Regulations,” “Reef Fish” and “Goliath Grouper.”