I have never claimed anything about Polio globally. That post very clearly references "in my country". Your link needs discussion to clarify whatever point you were making, given it wasn't countering any point I made. A student, maybe a decade ago, came to or returned to Australia with Polio and it was a major event. Otherwise it was declared eradicated quite some years prior. Other countries are at different stages in their journey, I'm not suggesting any sort of domineering approach to them.
You mean it still exists only in 2 research labs? There is no evidence that the smallpox virus still exists in the natural environment, while on the contrary polio virus is endemic to certains countries.
No, I explicitly meant it still exists, any context you add is for your point and not mine. I was only aware of one lab, and the security quite serious. Which might indicate some major concern should it get out, thus would be some evidence that it not only exists, but that its existence carries high risk.
.............snip...............>90% of covid deaths are elderly people with co-morbidities, yet we have the military, police in riot gear treating normal people like dangerous criminals in the street........snip..........
Where is this? Victoria? For starters, the military are not treating anyone like dangerous criminals, is there one single example of that? Secondly, when are riot police ever used against dangerous criminals? Perhaps in a jail riot, but the key link between riot police and jail riot here is 'riot' rather than 'dangerous criminal'. Tactical response police are the dangerous criminal group. Riot gear is used by police for dealing with crowds, to protect officers when things get violent. If nothing happens then nothing happens, if the crowd do not disperse then additional measures like tear gas and batons are used.
There were some protests in Melbourne that were dispersed and fines handed out, that is not an example of people being treated like dangerous criminals. That point noted, they were being treated like they were dangerous (given the community infection rate in Melbourne) and they were breaking the law (which is the very definition of criminal behaviour); but no one got clubbed or shot or gassed from the footage I saw.
The three teenagers that visited Melbourne, contracted the virus and returned to Brisbane, lying to skip quarantine, then whilst symptomatic went to work and to a restaurant. One of the adjacent diners in that restaurant then caught the virus and that person's spouse worked in aged care. You cannot protect the vulnerable if people are blatantly irresponsible. As such the recent Ipswich Hospital infections, Qld Health put restrictions on 200 health workers. The media reported it as quarantine but actually they required hospital staff to travel nowhere other than home and work. The Logan and Wacol clusters meant there was a measurable risk of a health worker being infected in the community and bring it to work, infecting staff and vulnerable patients.
Exactly what is your plan to protect the vulnerable in a community outbreak scenario? If they all die, is that okay? My parents are high risk, my remaining grandparents are very high risk, I'm seriously not okay with how flippant you are about their mortality, the exposure of which is entirely needless. Indonesia is having a massively difficult task with this, they have few of the resources we are taking for granted.
This pandemic is unprecedented, for us only, this generation, in our wealthy western countries. History has much written about far more challenging times than this, but for some reason that is used to justify this being unnecessary rather than this being entirely manageable. The boomers are maligned for many things but they have lived through challenging times, and their parents lived through massively challenging times, we are the snowflakes here. I'm not convinced by the argument that a decadent society no longer needs to be civilised.
