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Lion Air flight JT610 crashes into sea after take-off from Jakarta...

Discussion in 'Indonesia' started by Fibonacci, Oct 28, 2018.

  1. dirtfarmer

    dirtfarmer Regular of the Pub

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    On one trip as I'm flying into Bali I see out the window lights, smoke, and a fuselage...I'm freaked out and getting off the plane heading into the terminal looking over saying to myself OMG it's a crash. I just m8ssed a crash, inside the terminal everyone is calm acting like nothing is going on, I can hardly contain myself. I get to the office of the LOB I'm going on and ask if they have heard of anything. Nope. Turns out it was a drill. A freaking drill no announcement in the terminal, no signs, no nothing... during the time it took for me to find the story on the drill I thought oh gawd now there are crashes that the press just doesn't report.
    I was really glad to find out it was a drill, but during those first hours I was freaked out about the crash and sure my wife would never let me travel to Indonesia again.
     
  2. Dan_T

    Dan_T Great White

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    Underwater footages of Lion Air JT610 debris:


     
  3. chillyinCanada

    chillyinCanada Solo Diver Staff Member

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    Really bad. Didn't just slide in, that's for sure.
     
  4. Dan_T

    Dan_T Great White

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    Plunging at a speed of 350 mph (570 km/h) to the sea is like hitting a brick wall. It's an explosion. The debris that they found almost intact were like wheels & jet engine. The rest were mostly in pieces.

    Identifying human body parts are difficult without DNA.
     
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  5. chillyinCanada

    chillyinCanada Solo Diver Staff Member

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    chillyinCanada Solo Diver Staff Member

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  7. Diving Dubai

    Diving Dubai Instructor, Scuba

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    Update From the UK Guardian News paper

    Boeing is planning to write to airlines using its 737 MAX jet about how to deal with erroneous cockpit readings that could cause the airliner to dive, according to reports.The advice is based on preliminary information gathered in the investigation of a Lion Air flight that crashed in Indonesia last week killing all 189 on board, a person familiar with the matter told Reuters.

    The Wall Street Journal reported that US aviation regulators also intended to issue safety warnings about potentially suspect flight-control software. The advice from the Federal Aviation Authority would be binding on all US carriers flying Boeing 737 Max 8 versions.
    Experts say the Boeing notice could be about the “angle of attack”, which is the angle of the wing relative to oncoming air stream, a measure that indicates if a plane is likely to stall.

    Indonesian accident investigators said on Monday that an airspeed indicator on the crashed jet was damaged for its last four flights, but US authorities responded cautiously to suggestions of fleet-wide checks.

    The news was first reported by Bloomberg reported on Tuesday. It said the bulletin to airlines would alert pilots to follow existing procedures to address the issue.

    Boeing declined to comment.
     
  8. Dogbowl

    Dogbowl Loggerhead Turtle

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    There’s a recognized problem (erroneous cockpit readings that could cause the airliner to dive) and 189 are already dead, and the airlines continue to operate these planes? Blows my mind how a warning is sufficient?

    Now, I’m checking my flights to see if any of them are Boeing 737 MAXs...if they are, do I get on them or not? :rant:
     
  9. chillyinCanada

    chillyinCanada Solo Diver Staff Member

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  10. Diving Dubai

    Diving Dubai Instructor, Scuba

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    Good question.

    At this point, a problem has been noted. Remember the investigation is still continuing to fully understand the chain of events. When a defect or problem is found during an investigation - even if it's not a contributory factor a notice goes out to all operators as a first instance.

    In the second instance the manufacturer will be working around the clock to find solutions and fixes which can then be communicated to all operators. While the Manufacturer will advise only the FAA (or other agencies) can issue a notice to ground the fleet and even if they do, it only applies to operators or aircraft within their jurisdiction ( which means that aircraft not under their control will be denied access to airspace controlled by the FAA)

    In this case, from the link posted by Chilly

    "“Boeing and the FAA are providing operators with information and a reminder of how to address a stabilizer trim nose down condition,”

    "“There are several steps a crew can take, but in the end they switch the electric stabilizer trim off and revert to manual trim."

    So in this case its reinforcing to operators and crew the steps to be taken if they have a spurious indication (remember there are redundant and separate indication systems including basic flight instruments which aren't operated by computers)

    To hopefully reassure you, the 737 is a proven design, I'd keep flying on one.
     

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