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Over moderating

Discussion in 'Site Support' started by MaxE, Nov 17, 2020.

  1. Ryan Neely

    Ryan Neely ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    This has been a fascinating read. I am only tangentially aware of (what I believe to be) the original thread that prompted this one. I haven't followed this thread "live," but read it in one sitting. My point is, I don't have a frame of reference for the specifics of the complaint but I can understand the general points.

    From a purely academic standpoint, what I find most fascinating is that this serms to be a group of people disagreeing about the methods in which they disagree with one another. Is there anything more human than that? It's truly amazing.

    For what it's worth, people in every community disagree from time to time and there will always be a need for others to pacify that disagreement. It's never going to perfect and will often be perceived as unfair but, again, that's human nature.

    This becomes exacerbated in a strictly text-based community where body language, tonal inflection, and even the lack of proper sentence structure obfuscates intended meaning. Add to that the time delay between posts (e.g., if I type something I believe will be super clear and helpful on day one and my post is interpreted differently two hours later and I don't return for two weeks, it's too late for me to explain my original meaning), its a wonder any of us are capable of understanding each other at all.

    My default state is to approach a subject or a topic or even a group with the understanding that I don't know nearly as much as the next person. This allows me to ask questions when the next person says something that runs counter to my knowledge base or belief system. It keeps me open long enough to see their point of view and decide if I want to adopt it or keep my original perspective (or modify to a happy medium).

    It is this reason that drives me to never use the "Report" feature or to "Ignore" a user. I want to be exposed to all the varying ideas and opinions because, just maybe, I'll learn something new. This also means I need to be very thick-skinned and also understanding that other people do not share my views and beliefs.

    What this thread has taught me (because of my personality) is that I would make a terrible moderator.
     
  2. Bob DBF

    Bob DBF Solo Diver

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    And reading it at one setting you wouldn't notice the posts and member(s?) that have been removed from this thread.
     
  3. Zef

    Zef Divemaster

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    It is interesting that the OP of the discussion thread in question has posted on other threads in an off topic way similar to some of the posts on their thread, their post has been reported and yet remains.

    The issue for me is that the moderation on the thread in question came across a bit heavy handed towards those not in agreement or perfectly in alignment with the OP's view and what they expected from fellow posters.

    That standard does not seem to be applied equally to that board member in other discussion threads.

    I will admit that I was the one to report their post in another thread....I was not stalking them, or doing it out of vindictiveness towards them....it was more about pointing out the inconsistency of moderation standards across this board.

    For the record, I have no problem with my posts being deleted from the thread in question that this thread generally refers to...but just wish there was a standard that was more equally applied. There is a perception by more than one of us that the member in question is receiving special treatment.

    I have no problem with moderation or censorship but would ask that it is applied evenly and fairly across the board.

    -Z

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  4. Ryan Neely

    Ryan Neely ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Oh! That's quite a valid point, Bob. Interestingly, there are some posts from members who have quoted other members where it is obvious those other members had been removed. The quoted sections did not appear in my initial read-through, yet they are still available as a quote in a different post.

    That can be jarring reading it in such a fragmented manner.
     
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  5. Bob DBF

    Bob DBF Solo Diver

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    That's one reason I quote whoever I am responding to.
     
  6. RayfromTX

    RayfromTX Student Of Gas Mixology Staff Member ScubaBoard Sponsor

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    Nothing that was on topic to the thread was removed.
     
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  7. formernuke

    formernuke ScubaBoard Sponsor ScubaBoard Sponsor

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    Can I nuke something, I'm way behind in my radation exposure.

    In all seriousness, stop complaining about the mods. This is a great site and stays that way because of them. If anything you should be thanking them. Ok flame away.
     
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  8. Storker

    Storker ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    A ScubaBoard Staff Message...

    Common moderation practice is to remove posts that violate the ToS in their entirety, even if only a part of the post is a ToS violation. The mods aren't doing your homework for you; if you feel that you had a good point, feel free to resubmit that in a ToS compliant post. Besides, changing somebody else's words without approval is seen as unethical by many, including Mod Corps members

    In a major clean-up like in this case, there will most probably be posts quoting ToS compliant parts of a deleted post. Those could be removed, as is often done with posts quoting removed posts, or they can be left standing. The former will remove ToS compliant posts which contribute to the discussion, the latter will give the effect recently mentioned
     
  9. OTF

    OTF Solo Diver

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    You'd have to modify your username to "current".

    There's a difference between "complaining about the mods" and this level-headed discussion constructively criticizing certain actions or site polices. I haven nothing against the mods here, they do an amazing job maintaining this wonderful resource. But it's okay to raise the issue and talk about it if multiple people think too many posts were being deleted.
     
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