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Question about Scubapro MK 16

Discussion in 'Regulators' started by rypark1999, Sep 15, 2005.

  1. scubatoys

    scubatoys ScubaBoard Business Sponsor ScubaBoard Business Sponsor

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    You are 100% right. The HP is for gauges... be it transmitter or hose, and LP is for everything else... reg, octo, inflator, dry suit inflator etc...
     
  2. DA Aquamaster

    DA Aquamaster Directional Toast ScubaBoard Supporter

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    We have not had the same problem with a relatively samller number of regulators with a relatively high number of dives on them.

    However I do agree that in theory one potential issue with any seat and orifice design is the potential for things to rotate over time and/or shift enough to create a pair of slightly overlapping seating grooves in the seat. This then allows a small leak in each of the two spots where the grooves overlap. This is one reason you absolutley never reuse a seat after you disassemble a first stage as this creates the potential for this to occur. This potential problem is also I suspect the reason Scubapro incorporated a HP seat guide in the Mk 17 design. It's also the reason for the square shaped seat carriers in USD Conshelfs and Titans, etc as this approach reduces the potential for any seat /seat carrier rotation over time.

    I have heard SP sales reps and other company sales reps and marketing execs say things that amounted to nothing more than the company party line - putting the desired spin on things is a large part of what they do for a living. Any company, whether they sell scuba gear, cars, office supplies or whatever, push products that in some way meet a company marketing strategy and/or benefit the company's bottom line the most.

    A good example of this is the SP sales rep who serves the LDS's in this area who feels shops should be regarding the MK 25 SA as the ideal regulator and the top of the line choice for an advanced level diver (who does not want to spend big bucks on titanium). This advice works ok for the strictly tropical dive trip divers in the area, but is badly flawed with regard to divers who will be diving in some of the deep and extremely cold water in the area where the Mk 25 has a bad habit of freezing up. Not being local, he would probably not agree with our LDS owner who feels the Mk 16 and Mk17 are much better suited to the demands of local diving.

    Personally, I have never been overly swayed by the "authority" argument (it must be true just because someone important said it) as a valid way of knowing anything without also taking a look at things from a scientific, logical and/or philospohical perspective to confirm the validity of whatever the authority figure is saying. It's a critical thinking process that it not used as often as it should be anymore.

    Lower production cost is one of the advantages of the economy of scale that results from increasing production through licensed designs. Obviously, if the research, development and tooling costs were paid by Scubapro and all Tabata pays is a license fee, which was already built in as an offset on the SP production contract, the total cost of producing an R400 is going to be a lot less than for another regulator totally designed and produced by Tabata. In fact, given the R&D and tooling costs TUSA would most likely have a vested interest in pushing an in house Tabata design over a remarked SP design in order to get total production numbers up to the break even point for the in house design. Cost of production does not equate to quality when all other factors are considered.

    Another variable here is the second stages used in the TUSA packages. A great balanced first stage packaged with an unbalanced second stage would not breathe as well as a mediocre balanced first stage packaged with a balanced second stage. But this performance difference has nothing to do with the first stage. Companies often choose to package products in different combinations to create low middle and high end products in a particular line up. In this case, TUSA is screwing the R400, so to speak, with the second stage it packages it with and I suspect this is what is occurring when you reference that the TUSA regs with a higher dealer cost perform better than the R400 based package. But again, that has zero to do with the relative performance of the R400/Mk 16 first stage.

    Scubapro is just as guilty as any other company of using the matching of first/second stage combinations to create low middle and high end combinatons that conform to the company marketing strategy. But unlike most companies, with Scubapro you can also order any SP first stage with any Scubapro second stage. So a knowledgeable, informed and discriminating customer can put together a package that ideally meets their needs.
     
  3. rpodos

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    Scubaboard rocks... I am hard put to think of other venues where so much expertise and experience are so readily available. :icosm08:
     
  4. jmps

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    I can't find anything on the TUSA site or anywhere else that says that any of the TUSA seconds are air balanced. How do you tell which seconds in their line are air balanced like the S550?
     
  5. Vie

    Vie Divemaster Candidate

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    Good point—page 101 of the June 2005 issue of Scuba Diving magazine contains information about the TUSA RS-460 and RS-340 second stages (see attached). Assuming ScubaLab’s information is correct, the RS-460 second stage (according to Scuba Lab it is unbalanced) is a rebranded Scubapro R380/390 and not an S550.
     
  6. jmps

    jmps Solo Diver

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    That is what I thought. I went to a LDS to look at the MK16/S550. The owner said I could look at the TUSA line to get the same thing but cheaper but with a lesser warranty (not SP etc...). From what I could tell that was true for the first but not the S550 second. Thanks for verifying.
     
  7. scubatoys

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    You are correct that it is not the 550 second... but as far as lesser warranty, the Tusa warranty is actually better... Lifetime - free parts, etc. And how ironic... While typing this reply, one of our students returned from the lake to swap out regs because the mk16/550 started bubbling at the 1st stage.
     
  8. Jarrett

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  9. budgy

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    I've got a mk16 it's not a bad reg, I reckon most divers would be happy with one. If I was buying again I'd probably get an Apex ATX 40 or 50 because their better, even though I don't like the swivel or the odd size port. I haven't been able to get any info or read any tests on the Colti-Sub Ocean C11000, the 1st stage looks well made and the lay out of the body is like a Mares Abbys or a Apexs 100. I don't know if they are sold in the US but over in the U.K. it appears to be the bargain of the century.
     
  10. shooter226

    shooter226 Solo Diver

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    Larry @ scubatoys,

    Why are you using MK 16 in rental?

    By the way I came by for the scuba in ten city. Your store rocks!
     

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