Vortex 3-18-2012

[oceanbound]

Anyone know whats going on there today? we were going to go today but just received a call that they are searching for a body, possibly a cave diver.

 

[Cave Diver]

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Due to the apparent fatalities in two locations today, posts will be moved to the appropriate thread.

http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/accidents-incidents/414368-ginne-3-18-2012-a.html

 

[Grace67]

Hi... I am not a diver, but joined because of that incident. A beloved family friend died yesterday at Vortex. We are having problems finding out much information about it, only that they could not recover him yesterday (I am thinking it happened too late in the day).

Are you a cave diver? It might help some of those in my family if we can better understand what might have happened.

 

[Jax]

Hi... I am not a diver, but joined because of that incident. A beloved family friend died yesterday at Vortex. We are having problems finding out much information about it, only that they could not recover him yesterday (I am thinking it happened too late in the day).

Are you a cave diver? It might help some of those in my family if we can better understand what might have happened.

Oh, Grace, so sorry for your loss! May we know his first name? I will put him and you in our prayer chain.

No one will know what happened until the reports come in. They will ask others, analyze his leftover gas and inspect his equipment.

I will tell you that incredibly experienced, highly trained divers of the International Underwater Cave Rescue and Recovery (IUCRR) will do everything they can (and please understand that they are taking enormous risks here, so please pray for their safety) to bring your loved one out. Their website is here: http://iucrr.org/


May I please warn you that people will get very blunt and emotional in this thread? You may need to recuse yourself if the discussion hurts too bad. Just warning you for your own sake, Grace. We don't mean to be hurtful, but honest and frank discussion helps educate others and can be hurtful for the family and friends.


Cave divers practice accident analysis, and unless your loved one had a medical incident, he probably violated one of the main rules of cave diving:

• Diving beyond one's training and experience level. Doodoo hits the fan and the diver panics
• Failure to maintain a continuous guideline to the surface
• Failure to plan and maintain appropriate breathing gas and reserves.
• Not having and maintaining appropriate equipment for the dive.
• Exceeding depth appropriate for one's breathing gas, training, and experience.

Know that we grieve as well when one is lost in a cave. "There, but for the Grace of God, go I." If the discussion becomes hurtful, please don't visit here. God Bless you and your family.

 

[JamesK]

Grace, I am sorry for your families loss. A loss of a cave diver is like a loss of family to us as well.

 

[SandyRobinson]

Hi Grace, Jax summed it up pretty good. I am sorry for your loss. God bless you and your family.

 

[Insta-Gator]

:signofcross:

May God comfort you.

 

[mdax]

I really hope it wasn't a cave diver, i hope even more they weren't looking for ben.

 

[Jax]

Let's not go there, please?


Folks, rumor also has it there was another fatality at Ginnie. PLEASE . . . keep the recovery divers in your thoughts and prayers. :depressed:

 

[irishsquid]

Damn, this just SUCKS! Grace, I will have to echo Jax's comments; what actually happened won't be known/released immediately. This particular sub-forum may get somewhat brutally frank in it's discussions and can be upsetting to family and friends. Please understand that alot of what you may read can seem personal, accusatory and heartless. It is not intended and our hearts go out to the diver and family, and you may even see a few posts reminding members that this is not the place for those condolences or sympathies Just want you to know up front. With that said, I'm going to get my violation out of the way; Condolences, sympathies, and prayers. may God Bless!