Why can't you make a living as an Instructor?

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well, that was an interesting read.
................................, and I have single handedly brought technical training to the virgin islands.
I decided to go off the grid and become an instructor in 2008. I was OW certified with 12 dives logged, and I was going to be a PROFESSIONAL scuba diver! in 3 months I went from OW in Wisconsin to OWSI in St Croix. 3 1/2 years later and I've held the same job, gotten my captains license, traveled the caribbean, gotten tec certified, became a tec instructor, and built a tec program from the ground up out of my own pocket. all on the near minimum wage income of a dive pro/captain.
now, I haven't been in this business for 30+ years (I'm not that old), but I have a decent feeling of whether it's possible to make a living doing it. has the industry been saturated with dumb kids like me that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground and will likely kill more people than they certify? maybe. but if you're on holiday and up for a RECREATIONAL activity, who would you rather experience it with? the kid with the ear to ear grin or the cranky old bastard that won't shut up about how much he has accomplished and "the good 'ol days" when you had to tread water for 12 hours holding a tank over your head before anybody would let you touch a regulator? I know who I would pick. Just because one has been doing it longer than the other doesn't mean he's more in touch with what the sport is all about (yes, it is a sport). so if someone is really that fed up with the industry, then honestly, we're better off that they are retired. nobody likes having the old whiny guy on the boat.


Wow !!!... You REALLY "SINGLE HANDEDLY BROUGHT TECHINCAL DIVING to the VIRGIN ISLANDS"......after having "only been OW certitified with only 12 logged dives as recently as 2008 ? " !!!!... My Goodness.....You're A Real Life Scuba-Stud !.... You're my bonafide hero. I guess diving tri-mix on St. Croix's deep North Wall with Brett Gilliam and Tom Mount back in the 1980's doesn't constitute having "brought tech-diving" to the Virgin Islands before you were born ?? .....The poor islands had to wait for a hero like you to come along and "single-handedly" do it for them. I'm sure glad the dive industry has guys like you, to tell a thing or two to us "old whiney guys" ...
 
Wow...

I started this thread over three years ago when I was contemplating my future after leaving the Army. I haven't been active on this board in years. Got an email pertaining to this thread and decided to check it out. Cool to see it still alive.

Just as an update, I did not end up becoming an instructor. I very seriously looked at a few of the zero to hero shops in Thailand and Mexico but decided against them. Many of the things suggested in this thread were a reason. I still dive and have continued my education and training. I have branched into the early stages of the technical world and enjoy it greatly. At times I kick myself for not following through on the dream and at least giving it a shot. I was single and had considerable savings. I have no doubt it would have been an adventure I looked back on fondly.

I am now, instead, a police officer. I get to dive as a hobby (not nearly enough as I would like). I love my job and am happy for the benefits it has that diving would certainly not have afforded me. I'm a homeowner and have vehicles that are completely paid off. I can afford other hobbies outside diving as well... which I likely would not have been able to do.

All in all, this was a helpful and eye opening thread. I've had many a conversation with people who do make a living diving. I will always have that "what if" feeling but. I think I made the right choice. Hopefully this thread will contain information for others who were/are in my position.
 
Don't get too discouraged, I've been an instructor for 12 years now and make a pretty good living at it. It is all dependant on location, and being in Florida is a good thing. If you decide to make this your profession, you'll be a very active, there's alot of coordinating, scheduling, tutoring and traveling to dive sites and boat slips. But it's also alot of fun and I get a real feeling of accomplichment when I give a student their C-card and see the huge smile on their face. To me, I'm not going to make millions, but i do make a good living doing something I love.

Mikeytmh
 
Wow...

I started this thread over three years ago when I was contemplating my future after leaving the Army. I haven't been active on this board in years. Got an email pertaining to this thread and decided to check it out. Cool to see it still alive.

Just as an update, I did not end up becoming an instructor. I very seriously looked at a few of the zero to hero shops in Thailand and Mexico but decided against them. Many of the things suggested in this thread were a reason. I still dive and have continued my education and training. I have branched into the early stages of the technical world and enjoy it greatly. At times I kick myself for not following through on the dream and at least giving it a shot. I was single and had considerable savings. I have no doubt it would have been an adventure I looked back on fondly.

I am now, instead, a police officer. I get to dive as a hobby (not nearly enough as I would like). I love my job and am happy for the benefits it has that diving would certainly not have afforded me. I'm a homeowner and have vehicles that are completely paid off. I can afford other hobbies outside diving as well... which I likely would not have been able to do.

All in all, this was a helpful and eye opening thread. I've had many a conversation with people who do make a living diving. I will always have that "what if" feeling but. I think I made the right choice. Hopefully this thread will contain information for others who were/are in my position.

When I started diving in the early '90's I was in the army as well. I was looking for something that I could enjoy once I got out and since I greatly enjoyed the teaching aspect of being in the army (in Canada you can do a lot of teaching once you take your combat leader's course which includes instructor training) and got all the way to DM and got paid for doing it... not much but still paid. Then life took a bit of a tragic turn and I left diving behind and devoted my time to my family.

Now I am looking at getting instructor certified and am very discouraged to hear how much standards have dropped and pay as well. I knew guys that did well as full time instructors even here in a land locked city, but now they mostly teach for the discounts and the tax write-offs.

My new goal is to keep working at my job that pays well and save money while getting instructor certified (kind of an oxymoron there) and one day hope to open a dive resort where I can teach and dive and share my love of the underwater world with my guests.
 
Comparing this to flight instruction is ridiculous. Flight instructors are licensed and approved by FAA standards, and by the time they can become a CFI, they must earn licenses in instrument, and commercial piloting. There are no such standards for the self-regulated "industry" of scuba diving. Training so-called standards (which are not standards at all), are simply lists of minimal skills proficiencies as determined by private corporations (like PADI, SDI, etc.), in order to provide a guideline for teaching subjects to their instructors....and to comply with the minimum requirements of their liability insurers. This model has nothing in common, with flight training......particularly since when flying a plane.....an incompetent or untrained pilot has the possibility to crash into someone's house and kill bystanders.

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Many posters, since I originally posted more than a year ago, have completely perverted the meaning and intent of my original post. The point was, and remains...... that the training agencies themselves, have destroyed the business model for diver training; by dumbing down all training standards, and having such minimalist prerequisites for training and experience to just become an instructor. My assertion that having 100 dives worth of "experience" is substandard to become an instructor....is one I stand by. How many people with 100 dives have conducted a REAL-LIFE rescue of another diver? Answer.... Few to None. How many "certified instructors" after 100 dives and an 8-day ITC have conducted a REAL-LIFE rescue......same answer. 100 dives of experience....or even 150 dives of experience, and an 8-day ITC..... even if the newly minted instructor displays relatively good skills......will NEVER reveal how that "instructor" will deal with adversity, or a real in-water emergency with some obese diabetic student who starts drowning, because they can't handle being squeezed into a wetsuit for the 55 degree temperature quarry dive. The REALITY....(for the other earlier poster who mentioned Instructor Training courses in the context of refuting my assertions)..........is that Course Directors DON"T really train instructors....contrary to what you may believe.... most spend their time to direct the evaluators......and evaluators are there to make sure that their instructor candidates meet the minimum requirements for instructor qualification as set forth by the training agencies. FEW, course directors or evaluators....ever spend extensive time or energy....truly training instructors in terms of skills in diving or teaching......they can't......because even instructor courses have been dumbed down in order to make them cheap......in order to attract and certify as many warm bodies as they can. I first became a NAUI instructor in 1981.....at that time the requirements were 250 certified dives over at least 4 years of diving...FOLLOWED BY....completing a Divemaster and Assistant Instructor training course (each lasting 8 days). You could not for example, join an ITC, if 100% of your diving was inland. At least 50 (as best I can recall....it may have been 75) of your 250 dives had to be open-ocean from a boat. Only after such prerequisites, could you attend a NAUI ITC, which in those days were 16 consecutive 12-hour days of grueling training, most of it off-shore in the Ocean. Most ITC's had a higher than 50% attrition rate, mine included. By the time I was certified in 1981, there were 6330 NAUI instructors in the United States. Today, there are over 60K, and at least 4 times that number of PADI "instructors".....and that's just 2 agencies. The point is that the standards are not standards at all.......they are sub-standard....whose sole purpose is to maximize the number of instructors out there..... This is because training agencies make money from instructors, by selling to them directly.... training materials, liability insurance, and member dues to stay current. The more instructors there are....the more money a training agency makes...... ..... this is NOT the case for certified recreational divers. Training agencies make a one-time fee to issue a student cert.....; but this is a formality more than a revenue source.......instructors are their main revenue source....the more there are.....the more the training agencies earn in revenue..... as such.....they have created a self-destructive business model.

Some people here mention "supply and demand," but have little understanding about macro-economics. Another way to look at my above comment, is that when training agencies, in an effort to increase their numbers of dues-paying members relentlessly pump out new instructors by the tens of thousands.....people with maybe a year of experience and 100 dives....they pervert the supply-demand dynamic. The unintended consequence, is a broken economic model, continually diminishing of already substandard training for recreational divers, and a situation where literally hundreds of dive shops go bankrupt and close their doors annually...since they can't make money on either training OR retail equipment sales (in competition with on-line and mail-order companies). Other posters replying to my earlier post, have mentioned "unionizing." I NEVER suggested that a union was an answer to the broken economic model of dive-training and instruction......unions are counter-productive. The POINT I made...was that those who are in charge of the main training agencies....need to grow a brain and learn a little bit of about economics and finance......and they need to stop poisoning the industry by FLOODING the market with inexperienced, under-trained instructors........who are seduced, by their early excitement about diving, into believing that being "an instructor" will satisfy their egos and provide them with a means to subsidize the cost of their diving by "instructing."

The point I made, is that the training agencies have CREATED a business model around making dive instructing nothing more than a "hobbyists trade." As long as this condition exists......dive instructing will NEVER provide an economic return in proportion to the cost, liability, risk, effort, and sometimes personal sacrifice, required to deliver a QUALITY training course to students. My proposed solutions were to 1) RESTORE higher standards to leadership level training from certifying agencies..... and 2) Set a minimum suggested retail pricing standard for recreational training provided by instructors.....to stop cut-rate teenaged weekend warriors from becoming instructors after a year of diving, and then giving away low-cost or free training to people just to feel good about themselves.

Perhaps these two proposals are not the BEST solutions to these issues....but they're what I've come up with. If someone has any truly better actionable ideas....then please feel free to share them here. This industry NEEDS solutions to this issue; or NOTHING will change, and recreational diving as an industry will continue to die a slow, insidious, and painful death.

And finally, here are some REAL numbers for you. In 2012....the 4 major training agencies PADI, NAUI, SSI, and SDI, certified a total of just under 203K divers across the US (this actually includes all recreational certifications issued, so many of these were already certified divers earning for example a "rescue diver" qualification course). Between those 4 agencies, there are over 184,000 ACTIVE certified instructors. That comes out to 1.103 certifications issued, per ACTIVE "instructor" in the United States...... That's 1 student per year.......per instructor.

I Rest My Case.
 
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It all depends on what 'a living' is to you in relative terms. The pay in our industry is lower than for teachers in pretty much every other discipline - such as music teachers, dance teachers, sports coaches etc. This is mainly driven by high turnover rates and high competition for jobs - with so many people competing on applications for those 'dream jobs', companies have a lot of leeway to offer poor renumeration and conditions and still have plenty of choice when it comes to selecting new staff. That being said, the ability to make money is there, mainly depending on what geographical area you are based in. For example instructors on well travelled routes (eg Australia, South East Asia etc) can make excellent money, even as freelancers, due purely to the volume of dive traffic passing through. These locations also have some of the best progression routes to climb the ladder to achieve higher ratings and positions, because so much experience is gained over a relatively short period. For example, we are based on Koh Tao in Thailand, an island which is responsible for around 80,000 certifications a year. In just a year or so here, instructors gain the equivalent to 4-5 years work in other, more quiet locations.

The down side of living and working in none western locations is missing out all of those luxuries like paid holidays, paid sickness, pension schemes etc. So it really is a balancing act when it comes to sustainability. I don't think it's fair to say its impossible to make a living, it is. And it comes down to lifestyle choice. If you are at a time in life where you have no commitments or financial debt/repayments, dive instructors can enjoy an amazing life - a job they love, dream locations, a complete lack of that 'monday morning feeling' etc. But eventually to make it sustainable, a move needs to be made into dive centre management, or 'dryer' positions withing teaching agencies - which can be either moving up through the levels towards Instructor Trainer/Course Director etc or withing the agencies themselves at regional/head offices etc. Besides anything else its a very physical and active job, so working as a full time instructor will burn even the most energetic of people eventually.

It also comes down to the individual instructor and their work ethic and expectations, and how to balance them. If you are happy in your work and potential for progression, then the lower wage is a small price to pay considering there are people out there all around the world slogging their guts out in jobs they hate for even more meagre amounts.

Without getting to hippy, its worth remembering we are often spoilt for choice as westerners and sucked into the bubble of commercialism and professional/social climbing far to easily. There's a lot to be said for not over analysing and being grateful for the opportunities presented to us. And if it doesn't work out, then make a change - you'l still have had an amazing time, learnt a lot and in general gained more than you've lost.
 
Only those who have never had to do it glamorize such a thing. :shakehead: If thats the only reason you join the military and you actually say that to someone, you will be headed to see the psych doc.

Or they farm you out to an agency where there are no uniforms. No glamorizing - just an acknowledgement that society includes and make use of far more high functioning sociopaths than most people realize.
 
Some people here mention "supply and demand," but have little understanding about macro-economics. Another way to look at my above comment, is that when training agencies, in an effort to increase their numbers of dues-paying members relentlessly pump out new instructors by the tens of thousands.....people with maybe a year of experience and 100 dives....they pervert the supply-demand dynamic. The unintended consequence, is a broken economic model, continually diminishing of already substandard training for recreational divers, and a situation where literally hundreds of dive shops go bankrupt and close their doors annually..
Agreed. Decades ago I predicted that PADI's quantity over quality approach would have that effect. When I left PADI around 16 years ago, there were over 10 dive shops in my metropolitan area; now there are 3. Through mergers, we'v also seen the number of equipment manufacturers diminish.

Once the agency issues a certification, they've made their money, and it really doesn't matter to them if you ever dive again. Making it all about the profit of the the entry gatekeeper will kill anything.
 
@bfw your reply is a little too cynical for me and certainly did not represent what the dive shop I supported did. Once (and sometimes twice) a month they encouraged new and experienced divers to meet with them (instructors and DM's) at the local quarry for some "fun" dives. It was a chance for the newer divers who didn't have regular buddies to do some diving. The staff did not make any money and occasionally they would give advice that new divers would not get unless they participated in a class.
 
@bfw your reply is a little too cynical for me and certainly did not represent what the dive shop I supported did.
In the sentence,

"Once the agency issues a certification, they've made their money, and it really doesn't matter to them if you ever dive again."

the antecedent to "they've" and "them" is "the agency." I never said anything about the dive shop. The dive shop is not the agency, nor are their interests necessarily linked. Note I was pointing how the interests of one agency were fundamentally misaligned with those of the shop. There are other threads here that discuss how some agencies' business models align with the interests of the dive shop more or less than others'.
 
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