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Why give primary instead of alternate regulator?

Discussion in 'Basic Scuba Discussions' started by ScubaRob0311, Oct 4, 2019.

  1. Storker

    Storker Divemaster

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    If we were diving together, I'd probably be your wingman, and I'd appreciate if you would help me spotting cool stuff to shoot :)

    But if it were up to me, we'd agree on the team dynamic before we splashed.
     
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  2. markmud

    markmud Self Reliant Diver--On All Dives. ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Wouldn't that be part of our dive planning procedure?

    I would enjoy having you as my wingman while you shoot-up the cool stuff.

    cheers,
    m
     
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  3. Edward3c

    Edward3c Instructor, Scuba

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    I'ts primary take not donate. This is when the reg in the mouth is taken by your buddy who is slightly behind and on your left.
     
  4. Storker

    Storker Divemaster

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    I can sort of live with "slightly behind and on my left". What I really dislike is "slightly behind and above". Having a buddy in that position truly sucks.

    And while I'm ranting, why isn't buddy signalling with a light covered already at OW/1*/OD level? No matter where my buddy is, as long as they make sure to swipe their light across my field of vision regularly, I don't have to look for them. The first time I dived with someone trained in this, I was totally at a loss. I had never been told that if that light spot swipes across my FOV regularly, I know well enough where my buddy is, and that they're OK and in control of the situation. At least up here, it doesn't have to be dark on the surface before it's a good idea to bring a working light.
     
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  5. Edward3c

    Edward3c Instructor, Scuba

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    Now think through how they're going to get to the reg in your mouth. Are they going to come in front of you - for you to donate - or just reach under your left arm and grab the reg in your mouth? What's the routing of your primary hose, if taken that way? Chances are it will impede you reaching your secondary.

    Nothing wrong with the Hog Loop in confined environments where its not possible to be side by side when donating gas. That is where the set up came from.
     
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  6. Ayisha

    Ayisha DIR Practitioner

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    If their bungied backup is inaccessible, their regs have not been routed properly. If the bungied backup is too long, and the long hose was put in place before (ex. under) the bungied backup, it can trap the bungied backup.

    That is why the bungied backup needs to hang at about the base of the neck; both regs need to be placed properly; and during an equipment check prior to starting the dive, S-drills and other checks are done to ensure that no hoses (or dump valve string, etc.) are trapped.
     
  7. Storker

    Storker Divemaster

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    Why would they have to "reach under my left arm"? That's just one of a multitude of scenarios, and, frankly, not necessarily the one I consider the most likely.

    Disregarding the fact that the way I'm diving, they'll have to work quite a bit to be able to "reach under my left arm".
     
  8. KenGordon

    KenGordon Rebreather Pilot

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    It is almost like people need to be trained... :)
     
  9. markmud

    markmud Self Reliant Diver--On All Dives. ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Hi Edward,

    I know this may be a semantic argument to some, but I was taught that it is primary "donate."

    "Taking" is quite rude u/w and I can't stress this point enough.

    Training and experience sure does help!

    cheers,
    m
     
  10. lowviz

    lowviz Solo Diver ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Going back to the OP:
    OK, fine for warm water endless viz and cool heads all around. How about lungs on fire, last breath, low visibility (low visibility is the only way I have ever dived), and a diver appears in horizontal trim?

    I totally get that, you are a shepherd. My point is that not everyone dives the same way with the same expectations of safety. How comfortable would you be with buddying up your standard flock so you could sit one out topside?

    Not so. Some of us realize that we become totally dependent on our gear and reflexes at depth while being immersed in a fluid that will quickly kill us. Solo diving, for me, really drives that point home. No, there is nobody around and no hope of a savior appearing in the nick of time.
     
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