Would you share your PDC data?

[geokr]

One other point to consider is whether or not the data in your computer is even accurate. In checking mine I've found it to be close enough most of the time but I wouldn't never try to defend it as accurate. Instrumentation, even of the highest caliber and whose calibration is traced to the National Bureau of Standards, drifts over time and after conditions. Your computer is no different. Oops...I shouldn't have said that or someone may use that data to require certified calibrations before I go on my next dive.

 

[rstofer]

I don't surface OOA, I don't do unsafe ascents, I don't dive to depths beyond the limits of my training, gear, or breathing gas, and I don't blow NDL's. I do safety stops even when they aren't officially called for. I always maintain safe SI's. What could a person possibly use against me by reviewing my dive computer? It seems to me that what you are really saying is careless and unsafe divers, basically those with something to hide regarding their dive profiles, are the divers who should be concerned about this.

When you are in court as the defendant and the opposing lawyer is impressing the jury with your supposed negligence, everyone has something to hide.

I don't intentionally make any of those mistakes either. But, boy, I wouldn't want to be a tech diver explaining my deco dives to a jury of my peers. Even if the incident didn't involved deco. Juries are just too sympathetic to the plaintiffs.

In any event, this discussion re: lawsuits is meaningless. I have no intention of providing PDC info for any reason.

Richard

 

[Tigerman]

I wouldnt mind really - Theres nothing there to hide. Only problem for the statistics part is that youd have to be able to separate the different types of dives beyond gear and also look at what was done on those dives and the conditions of the dive.
I have some dives on my computer that can be 2-3-4 dives logged on the computer but really is just one dive with some stopping at the surface to check something and stuff like that..

 

[Jax]

Pros: Doctors, instructors, and others that need data would be able to have a great deal to analyze. However, until someone posts the policy on data sharing, on private info, on data uses, and reasonabale restrictions on release, NO!

Cons: The law of unintended consequences. All that data gets analyzed, and some bleeding liberal that believes everyone should be saved from themselves, pushes for laws to be enacted to not let us do this, that, and the other. Example - Europe marks borders of safe ski areas, but doesn't restrict you from going beyond them. If you do, and need help, you pay through the nose. It's call individual responsibility.

Con: To keep the data "good", the programmers would have to be sure they restrict the naughties from loading their data again and again. Usually, they will put some sort of IP address note so "same data, same address - ignore". IP address? What privacy?

Con: So, what if they wanted to do a correlation between age / income / job type and the amount of risks that divers take? Umm . . . 'bout that privacy? . . . .

Con: So, some enterprising young journalist wants a Pulitzer. S/he hacks the data base, and is able to do some basic queries (such as knowing your last dive locations a, b, & c), finds a set of records on someone that dives a, b, & c. Next think you know, the governor of state YZ, who was supposed to be in the hospital at his sick wife's side, is now plastered all over the Internet for having gone diving in the Bahamas.

I could go on, but I'd bore you.

 

[Tigerman]

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Cons: The law of unintended consequences. All that data gets analyzed, and some bleeding liberal that believes everyone should be saved from themselves, pushes for laws to be enacted to not let us do this, that, and the other. Example - Europe marks borders of safe ski areas, but doesn't restrict you from going beyond them. If you do, and need help, you pay through the nose. It's call individual responsibility.
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Sorry. But thats not correct. It may be some European countries that works that way, but not by far "Europe".
Youll get help without paying anything at all in lots of countries in Europe, even if you go "off the grid".
Many feel that you shouldnt though if you deliberately make stupid decision

 

[lmorin]

I would love to participate in DAN's program but they can't accept data from my Oceanic computer.

Me, too. Totally stupid and undoubtedly inserts some form of bias into their data. That famous "DAN program" has been going on for years and I, for one, would like to see some product from the study.

As for those who are afraid of data abuse about dive profiles, well I am utterly amazed at the number of paranoid divers who are posting here. So many other more important things to worry about....

 

[*dave*]

Thanks for all the feedback! I haven't seen anything posted I hadn't anticipated, but the number of people indicating they would share their data is a bit higher than I expected.

For those concerned about privacy, I don't blame you. However, I think most concerns are misplaced. The data collected might show trends and provide some interesting data, but a third rate attorney could assure it was never used in a court. If, by some fluke of the justice system, it did make it into evidence, it would be easily discredited as a source of meaningful information.

If such an option existed, I would want the option for providing as much or as little info as I choose to provide. At minimum, the data uploaded would look like this:

1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,0,1243,296.31
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,10,1418,296.40
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,20,1553,296.44
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,30,1662,296.46
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,40,1762,296.49
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,50,1973,296.50
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,60,2092,296.53
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,70,2220,296.55
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,80,2321,296.56
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,90,2371,296.59
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,100,2420,296.60
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,110,2471,296.61
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,120,2510,296.63
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,130,2651,296.65
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,140,2622,296.66
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,150,2676,296.66
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,160,2748,296.68
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,170,2760,296.69
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,180,2721,296.69
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,190,2760,296.70
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,200,2837,296.70
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,210,2936,296.70
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,220,3147,296.71
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,230,3334,296.72
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,240,3339,296.73
1,SU-04365,0029531894,2007,3,29,14,0,1,250,3329,296.73
...........................

That data is direct from my Sensus.
I would challenge anyone to use that info to give me a call, stop by my house, tell me who my employer is or tell me what my gross annual income is.

 

[N2DeepInAz]

Simply stated, no I would not participate for reasons previously listed. All information on the internet is there forever and logged and backed up forever. Never put anything on the internet that you'd regret at a later date. Nothing on the internet is truly secure, we hear about hackers getting into databases all the time. Data can be flexed any which way it needs to be to prove a point. My spouse is a data miner for a large company and proves this to me on a regular basis.

And I'm pretty sure that if any of your life insurance companies knew you were a recreational scuba diver that descends below 60ft on a regular basis, your premiums would go through the roof, regardless of training and expertise. I speak from experience on this one.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." - Benjamin Franklin

 

[geokr]

What's the serial number on your Sensus???

 

[Jax]

Sorry. But thats not correct. It may be some European countries that works that way, but not by far "Europe".
Youll get help without paying anything at all in lots of countries in Europe, even if you go "off the grid".
Many feel that you shouldnt though if you deliberately make stupid decision

Really? I did my skiing in Austria, Germany, France, Switzerland, and Italy -- thought that was enough of Europe to say "Europe". Going off-piest (piezt? I forget) was perfectly okay . . . I was just warned that any rescue off the groomed areas would cost me in the thousands, while rescue on the piested (sp?) areas were covered by my ADAC insurance, no prob. I had a lot of friends that loved fresh powder, and I would on occasion join them. But by doing so, I was assuming all responsibility for my decision.