Integrated Power Inflators Are A Terrible Idea!

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I think these are probably OK for shallow water diving when there is a direct ascent to the surface with no required decompression stops. These things do not breathe well and are sometimes like sucking molasses through a straw.

But, once again if the OOA diver has to breathe it for only a short time to make a direct ascent, sort of like a CESA then I guess these things are OK.

I quickly Googled and saw a price of $319.00 for an AIR 2. Seems pricey when compared to a Dive Rite second stage for $150.00.
I am not going to argue back and forth, but I have a relatively new SS1 from atomic. It breathes FINE at 130 feet. I remember seeing world record deep divers using Air 2's quite a while ago. I was surprised because I had not used one at that time and had read similar stories about bad performance and he indicated that they tested them at 300 feet on air and they worked fine. That was good enough for me!

Another benefit to the recreational diver is that one of the most common scuba failures, is a stuck inflator. Meaning it begins to inflate automatically. Obviously this could result in an unintended and rapid ascent that could be bad. Often it is quite difficult to uncouple the fitting from a standard inflator. The air 2's have a much larger and easier to operate coupling that can be quickly disconnected underwater in an emergency. Of course people will say this is some terrible problem because you now lost your back up regulator- so you simply end the dive if you don't have a pony or are convinced that your buddy could not do actual buddy breathing to save their life.

Another benefit, as mentioned is that the air 2 is constantly used (to inflate and possibly to deflate the BC), the diver knows where it is and in an emergency he should be able to access it immediately. For many people, their skills and set up are poor and the standard octopus is dragging in the mud, floating around, tucked into some stupid place etc. All of which make accessing the octopus in a real emergency a potential problem for people who are sloppy and unskilled.

I would not argue that they are the absolute best solution for recreational divers, because it is not that big of a deal if you practice using your gear and keep it maintained. Sometimes I use a BC with a standard inflator and don't have an octopus and it makes me a tab bit nervous when I have a buddy. For solo, it is not that big of a deal for me, but when I have a buddy, I like the flexibility of having the pony bottle reg, the air 2 and the primary second stage. I often keep a standard inflator hose on my reg and an Air 2 hose so I can have the flexibility to use either if I feel like it.

For back mounted pony bottle divers, I think it makes a lot of sense in that particular application, but if someone wants to use three second stages have at it, but the potential for confusion is bad.

Yesterday I was diving with a solo diver and for his third tank he screwed up and brought air instead of nitrox. He never dives with an octopus OR a pony bottle when solo, even past recreational depths, which I think is dumb, but a lot of old school divers I go with, just don't worry about ever needing redundancy.

So, in order to extend his dive (since he did not have more nitrox on board) , he decided to back mount a pony with 80%, with a back mount on his BC so he could go into deco and clear it quicker without making me wait too long for my dive.

He has a gazillion dives and has been doing it for decades. I'm driving and set him up for the drop and I ask him if he is ready and he says "yeah" and then a second later says "oops". I look over and he is removing the 80% regulator from his mouth and replacing it with the air second stage! That simple stupid error yesterday could have easily killed him!

Of course, proper tech divers would always run the deco bottle as a stage bottle that they can not confuse with back gas, but it was just one more very dramatic and recent example of how easy it is to mix up second stages. If using an AIr 2 significantly reduces that problem for back mounted pony bottles, then I think they are a good choice for that application in particular (in other words, serving the purpose of eliminating three second stages coming from your back).

Saying you won't dive with someone who has an AIR2 seems pretty silly to me, but I don't buddy up with that many people anyway.
 
I have breathed from them and experienced the molasses thru a straw and also no real difference from the primary. Two things that I don't like is the size and length of inflator hose required to breathe comfortably from.
From a rescue standpoint, I see most talking about the diver using it being the one rendering assistance. What happens when the roles are reversed and the rescuer has never used one? Or used a different model? Saw this exact scenario in a rescue class where the brief was only something like "This is my octo and inflator combined. You push the button on the front to inflate."
Problem was there was more than one button. Rescuer under the influence of adrenalin and pressure of the class came up from behind the "panicked" diver using the air 2 type device, hit the wrong button and sent them directly towards the bottom.
They realized it of course and corrected the error and they were under observation but it was enough that the "victim" ditched the air 2 type device and used a standard inflator and octo from then on.
I also observed some difficulty in the use of it be people with smaller hands.
They are kinda clunky.

The old Air 2's ARE somewhat clunky and hard to press the button, the deflate button in particular, because the internal SS shaft gets crusty and it can be difficult to orally inflate the BC manually by using it. A valid criticism, I had forgotten about, particularly for children and weak women.

Something to test and keep on top of. However, the new SS1 by atomic is MUCH, Much smoother and easier to operate. I imagine the later generations of other blades of air2's may have made improvements as well.
 
@johndiver999 - Good information. I have not breathed on one of these in probably 20+ years. It is good to know they are better than they used to be.

They are still quite expensive.
 
I have a strongly held and deeply rooted belief that I simply don't care. Unless I do. And then I care deeply.
 
From a rescue standpoint, I see most talking about the diver using it being the one rendering assistance. What happens when the roles are reversed and the rescuer has never used one? Or used a different model? Saw this exact scenario in a rescue class where the brief was only something like "This is my octo and inflator combined. You push the button on the front to inflate."
Problem was there was more than one button. Rescuer under the influence of adrenalin and pressure of the class came up from behind the "panicked" diver using the air 2 type device, hit the wrong button and sent them directly towards the bottom.
Don’t all standard inflators have more than one button? Yes, most K shaped basic inflators have one button on the top, and one on the side. Apart from the i3 system, the rest basically function the same way. The button closest to the hose adds air, the button further away, dumps it.

Plus, if hitting dump is sending divers to the bottom, there might be too much weight in play. If a diver were to hit the dump button by accident on my BC, not much air would come out.

Regardless, diving with a buddy means you should be at least somewhat familiar with their gear. In my rescue class, we had several different gear configurations going on. Back inflate BCs, BP/W, different harness types, different weight systems, Octo inflators, standard octo clipped, necklaced octo, SPG, AI computers, etc. My instructor went over the basic types briefly, but mostly left it to us to ask questions if we were familiar with a particular diver’s gear. There are all sorts of gear configurations out there, so assuming another diver’s is the same as yours is asking for trouble.

Without a doubt, the octo inflator is not for all types of diving. For what I do, it works great.
 
- Just swimming around with it is not great. Limits head movement; resistance from the corrugated, relatively short BC hose.
Get a longer hose. I have a 22" on mine and it gives plenty of room to turn my head freely. I've done this while scootering and donating my primary to my buddy in an OOA incident.
- It is heavy and large. It dangles and can get in the bottom/reef when in diving position and low. It's the only thing in my kit that isn't high and tight.
Put a retractor on your left waist d-ring and it holds it in nice and tight. The only thing dangly on my setup is my primary that I also have on a retractor off my left chest ring and my camera rig light if i don't rotate it back into the tray.
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Get a longer hose. I have a 22" on mine and it gives plenty of room to turn my head freely. I've done this while scootering and donating my primary to my buddy in an OOA incident.

Put a retractor on your left waist d-ring and it holds it in nice and tight. The only thing dangly on my setup is my primary that I also have on a retractor off my left chest ring and my camera rig light if i don't rotate it back into the tray.
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I bought mine second hand, so I am not sure if it had a longer hose (i doubt it). I breath off of it periodically, while diving, just so the slightly harder draw is something I am used to (my vintage DH has a similar resistance). Turning my head to the right pulls on the mouthpiece a bit, but undoing the velcro that holds the hose would fix that. I keep in mind my AIR2 is a back up and it's main function is not to give me the smooth performance of my primary, but the reliability when I need it.
 
I bought mine second hand, so I am not sure if it had a longer hose (i doubt it). I breath off of it periodically, while diving, just so the slightly harder draw is something I am used to (my vintage DH has a similar resistance). Turning my head to the right pulls on the mouthpiece a bit, but undoing the velcro that holds the hose would fix that. I keep in mind my AIR2 is a back up and it's main function is not to give me the smooth performance of my primary, but the reliability when I need it.
That's my thought process on it too. My 5th gen SP breathes better than may sherwood oasis, though it is due for an overhaul that my fix it. The air2 breathes well enough that I can still slow my breathing and calm down but isn't near as nice af my Titan or Hollis O2 reg. It serves a purpose and works well for me.
 
I firmly believe that integrated power inflators are nasty. I would think twice about diving with anyone who showed up with one.




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Good, I just bought one and fully intend to use it for certain types of diving. Mine unscrews from the corrugated hose and stays with the regulator in the case. Maybe somebody needs to learn how to weight themselves and be a bit more flexible.

What might be a bad idea is a Y valve or H valve. Kind of like redundancy without redundancy. Some might suggest that is the purpose of a buddy being as this is not the solo forum.
 
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