Unified Dive Industry wants to change DEMA for the better!

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let's recap the last 24 hours OK?

DEMA came back with a statement, they clarified some issues but overall IMHO the underlying issues still remain. DEMA as an organization has lost the plot, many know it. The petition and the fact DEMA responded means we get a chance to do just that, make a telling change to the better or it will end up being not worth it.

One person who signed the petition has reconsidered. I don't agree with his conclusion but sure respect him for saying them.

So we can sure shut up now and NOTHING will change, better or worse and we concede that the industry should give up any semblance of input into our association...or?

By the way, ANYBODY who thinks DEMA is planning to be open or easy to talk to should read the ENTIRE PDF posted on the dema.org website of rules from on high as to the hoops (11 copies, another SHORT time line to submit questions in advance so the BOD is ready, no clapping or anything else and it goes on for two pages), must keep the peasantry in line I guess.....

Spend an hour or two doing some research on scubaboard of actions of the DEMA BOD the last 3 years or so, when a few of us decided to start being public and not letting our fear rule what we say, and make no mistake we ARE afraid. Call some previous BOD members, ask them what went on.... OH..small problem a non profit dive industry association makes elected BOD members sign non disclosure forms before they get to see anything...What the F?????????????????????????????????????????
 
Well Terry, that is about to happen. It is now very apparent, more than ever, that even the "reformers" are afraid of true reform.
 
I think whats going on is very interesting indeed. I am ready for this change.

but, let's be realistic people.

There will be absolutely NO CHANGE with DEMA. we can bitch and whine to them all we want, and they will only laugh. Frankly I'm shocked that Ingram even addressed this issue. A light of hope?

The only way to make change, is to simply not pay them money, or go to the show.

This is like a bunch of us getting together and telling NetDoc we don't like what he's done with Scubaboard and we think he should step down......(just hypothetically)

Not gonna happen!

but if we just all went away, that would demand change.

you see, the BOD represents the people that are in true control. Why would they willingly give away that control?
 
This is like a bunch of us getting together and telling NetDoc we don't like what he's done with Scubaboard and we think he should step down......(just hypothetically)

Not gonna happen!
It could happen. I could always be bought out! I promise you though: It won't be cheap! :D

But really, if you take a peek at our site support you will get a clue that we actually LISTEN to everyone. We may not be able to incorporate every suggestion, but we SURELY entertain their suggestions and try to be as responsive as possible. That's how we have developed almost every sub forum on here: we endeavor to give our users and readers whatever their hearts desire. So far, no one has tried to assassinate me! I am hoping for this trend to continue!
 
But really, if you take a peek at our site support you will get a clue that we actually LISTEN to everyone. We may not be able to incorporate every suggestion, but we SURELY entertain their suggestions and try to be as responsive as possible. That's how we have developed almost every sub forum on here: we endeavor to give our users and readers whatever their hearts desire. So far, no one has tried to assassinate me! I am hoping for this trend to continue!

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There will be absolutely NO CHANGE with DEMA.
I don't think I agree with this! There will be change. Will it be WILLING change? That I am not sure of.
 
OK, there's a chance. I'll reign in the monster cynicism and hope for the best.
 
OK, there's a chance. I'll reign in the monster cynicism and hope for the best.
THIS, I will have to see to believe! :D
 
Hm .... yet you take all sorts of other much less likely stuff on faith.:D
 
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