Making a CESA "ahhhh sound?"

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Hello,
Can someone describe/explain me the "ahhhh sound"

The manual says:
"Simply look up and swim to the surface making a continuous ahhhh sound into your regulator. The ahhhh sound assures that you exhale expanding has, which is necessary to avoid lung overexpansion injury"

So my question, if you are exhaling air while making the ahhhh sound all the way up. At some point but short you have to inhale air through the regulator, right ? Unless you are really, really close to the surface and don't inhale.

Thanks for your help,

Put in context: the idea is to make *some* kind of sound so that you can exhale ... or more accurately keep your airway open... for 30 seconds while exhaling continuously. I tell my students to sing a note (any note) and hold it. This is something you can practice on the couch during commercial breaks.

The goal (keeping the airway open) is important. How you do that is not.

R..
 
I recall doing this exercise in the pool first before open water and swimming the length of the pool underwater going Ahhhhhh for almost 20M (and no reg in mouth).

Actual CESA was done from 10M (with no reg in mouth).

Does not matter what you say, in reality it might be closer to OH FUUUUUUUUUUU
 
Holy smokes 20 meters just exhaling and no regulator..! Scary. Do our lungs can last that long ?
 
Holy smokes 20 meters just exhaling and no regulator..! Scary. Do our lungs can last that long ?

They can. If you do...

I recommend students to make an EEEEEEEEEEEE sound all the way up, which seems to help with not exhaling too much too soon.. Whichever method, it's not that difficult.

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This is another thing where the materials - and many instructors - don't adequately explain the WHY behind the details of the skill. My teaching style is based on a simple premise: When students understand the WHY... the HOW becomes obvious.

As others have mentioned above, the reason to make a sound is because doing so ensures that your airway is open. It doesn't matter what sound you make - aaahh, ohhhh, ayyyyyyy, mmmmmm, la la la la la. Doesn't matter.

The only way a human can make a sound - any sound - is by passing air through their vocal cords. So "sound" = "open airway." Just like a musical instrument, what actually makes the sound is vibrating air creating sound waves. And like a musical instrument, you can change the pitch of the sound you make by changing how much air you pass through your vocal cords. Think about how much air is needed to play a note on tuba... versus a how much air is needed to play a note on a flute. Low notes = a lot of air. High notes = a little air

So I tell students to make the highest pitch sound they can make. And when I demo the CESA I tell them to think "Mighty Mouse" and then I "sing" a high pitched mouse-voice version of the Here I come to save the day! chorus of the cartoon's theme song as I swim the length of the pool.

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii cooooooooooooooooome tooooooooooooooo saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave theeeeeeeeeeeeeeee daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay...

It's kind of a useful mnemonic, because in addition to making a high-pitched sound, Mighty Mouse is actually miming a picture-perfect CESA! Left hand on inflator? Check! Right hand extended upwards? Check! Legs kicking? Check!


[video=youtube;rsPa8QgGGkc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsPa8QgGGkc[/video]
 
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Hmmm wowww.

Ok - hope this comes across well.
It sounds like you are getting yourself worried about nothing. Take the class and ask your instructor your questions and be frank with them - they will help you.

Scubaboard can be a very informative information source - or it can be a very scary place - only you get to decide if the information is worth following up on. Everyone on the board means well but sometimes they put a spin on it for various reasons. Don't over think things and don't take everything as gospel because in the end this is still the internet - and some folks including myself can be - Wait For It - sarcastic or putting a spin on so that the reader is offered a different view (good or bad). This forum makes me think and it definitely has its funny moments - but in the end you need to decide which it is... Fact, Fiction or a good old Yarn.
 
Holy smokes 20 meters just exhaling and no regulator..! Scary. Do our lungs can last that long ?

PS - you mentioned "no regulator" in you post above.

The regulator STAYS IN YOUR MOUTH until your reach the surface. Both during your OW class and in the unlikely event you ever need to actually do a CESA in the real world. Here's "the why" behind "the how."

If the Number 1 underwater rule in scuba diving is "NEVER hold your breath" the Number 2 rule is "ALWAYS keep your regulator in your mouth until you have something BETTER to replace it with."

If you are doing a CESA, it's because you're out of air. If you're out of air underwater, chances are there might be a strong desire to take a breath at some point before reaching the surface.

If you have a regulator in your mouth and try to inhale, you will get NOTHING as you try to breath against the vacuum of an empty tank. (Try it yourself on the pool deck during class; take a breath off a reg connected to a tank that is not turned on. Nothing.)

However, if you do not have a regulator in your mouth - and you try to take a breath - you will get two lungs full of water. The technical term for this is "drowning." You don't want to drown doing a CESA on a real dive. Your instructor REALLY doesn't want you to drown doing a CESA in class. (The amount of paperwork that creates is ridiculous...)

A second point to consider is that your tank is never really empty. At depth your regulator is adjusting the pressure of the air coming out of your tank to match the ambient pressure at whatever depth you're at. Ultimately, your regulator can only deliver air if the pressure of the air inside your tank is HIGHER than the pressure of the water outside your tank. The deeper you are, the more pressure there is, the harder it is for the reg to deliver air. For instance, at 60ft/20m there is actually 44.7psi/3bar of air in your "empty" tank, but your reg can't get that air out of the tank since the pressure outside the tank at that depth is also 44.7psi/3bar. But as you ascend, the ambient pressure decreases. So as you approach the surface, the ambient pressure approaches 14.7psi/1bar. So if you left 60ft/20m with 44.7psi/3bar of air in your 'empty' tank - and you're now at 10ft/3m where the ambient pressure is roughly 20psi/1.33bar - your reg might actually be able to deliver a tad bit of air (10psi/0.66 bar) from your tank at ten feet that it couldn't deliver against the much higher pressure at 60ft. I wouldn't necessarily count on that air absolutely being available - because the example above doesn't factor in how the reg is adjusted, how efficient it's work-of-breathing is, etc - but the idea is that with the reg in, worse case scenario, you might get a pleasant surprise.

Keeping your reg in your mouth is true on not just the CESA, but every skill. OOA Drill? Don't remove your regulator until you have secured your buddy's regulator, have it properly oriented, and ready to put into your mouth. Hover with oral inflation? Don't remove your regulator until you have secured your low pressure inflator, have it properly oriented, and ready to put into your mouth. Switching to your backup regulator? Don't remove your primary regulator until you have secured your backup regulator, have it properly oriented, and ready to put into your mouth.
 
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Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii cooooooooooooooooome tooooooooooooooo saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave theeeeeeeeeeeeeeee daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay...

It's kind of a useful mnemonic, because in addition to making a high-pitched sound, Mighty Mouse is actually miming a picture-perfect CESA! Left hand on inflator? Check! Right hand extended upwards? Check! Legs kicking? Check!


[video=youtube;rsPa8QgGGkc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsPa8QgGGkc[/video]

Ok, this is absolutely brilliant :D :D :D
 
RJP, I might just steal your Mighty Mouse reference to use in future briefings - brilliant!

I find it often helps to have students that are nervous (or more often a case of self-doubt) for this particular skill to practice on land. Measure out 9m (30 feet?) - which is the length that you have to practice the CESA in confined water, assume the correct position (one hand holding the inflator hose, one extrended in front of you) and slowly walk the 9m. It should take you 30 seconds to do this - equalling an ascent rate of 18m/minute on one breath while slowly exhaling. Whether you do that by making a sound or blowing imaginary bubbles doesn't matter too much, but you'll get a good feel of how slow you have to swim and exhale.
 

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