DivingsInMyBlood
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lets all chip in a buck and send a guinea pig/ cannon fodder in and see if they get their credit card number stolen or something.
anyone ever use this?
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Send me $20.00 and I'll gve you the link to Leisure Pro.
SO, as far as I can tell, all they are selling is an "ebook" that tells you how to buy direct from the overseas factory, NOT actually selling gear? (I missed that the first time areound, I think...)
I always look at the domain registration, and where they are hosted and go from there...
Registered at GoDaddy.com - nothng special, most of my domains are there.
WHOIS shows some interesting stuff, like all the addresses are PO Boxes, and there's only one phone number, no smoking guns yet. Domain has been registered for about a year. Only contact email is a hotmail address...
The traceroute shows that they are hosted at tierzero.net, a network connectivity, hosting and co-lo provider, looks like LA, which matches their website, and there are a few co-lo's in the area (I'm in a few myself). Tierzero seems large-ish, so if they weren't paying their bills they wouldn't still be hosted
DNS is coming from HOSTICA.COM, which seems to also be a medium-tier ISP.
Looking at "the Google", they have advertised (at least in the past) on myspacetv, and a lot of other places. There's some "SPAMmy looking stuff at: http://xelfos.bixgik.com/Ebook-wholesaler.htm which leads to this page of testimonials: http://www.scubawholesalesources.com/testimonials.htm
There's a testimonial from a "John Wilts - San Diego" who is a "owner/instructor at a dive school here in San Diego" but seems to not be affiliated with any retail store. I'm still rather new to the San Diego diving scene, but I'm not aware of any stand-alone dive schools in the area, except maybe the commercial diving school.
Then again, there are some like http://www.scubasandiego.com/default.htm that I had never heard of, so maybe this is a red herring...
There's no listing for any John Wilts in the San Diego north county AT&T white pages, nor at whitepages.com but that's not always a good indicator.
Their website says it is a "List of International Manufacturers You Can Purchase Products From Directly Overseas" which includes lots of brand names, but not (I notice) Atomic Aquatics, but does include "Underwater Kinetics" which might be kind of odd because I think that at least some UK products are made in Poway (a suburb of San Diego)... http://www.scubawholesalesources.com/buydirect.htm
Now, looking at the "parent company" HIR Investments, they have the same domain info, and seem to have a raft of domains selling various "ebooks". See http://www.hirinvestments.com/oursites.htm
Some goodies are Quick Detective.biz, which seems to be a directory of search engines and resouces, NOT a direct search engine, http://www.swissaccountsetup.com/index.html, which is selling an ebook on how to open bank accounts, in (guess where?) Switzerland.
In short, while this probably isn't an *illegal* scam, you're probably going to be buying a book full of directory infor (names addresses) for factories and other companies, none of which have agreed to sell anything direct to anyone....
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Registrant:
H.I.R. Investments
P.O. Box 852
Hampton, New Hampshire 03843
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: SCUBAWHOLESALESOURCES.COM
Created on: 29-Jul-06
Expires on: 29-Jul-08
Last Updated on: 26-Jul-07
Administrative Contact:
Znoj, Eric hirinvestments@hotmail.com
H.I.R. Investments
P.O. Box 852
Hampton, New Hampshire 03843
United States
(603) 997-1489 Fax -- (603) 658-1590
Technical Contact:
Znoj, Eric hirinvestments@hotmail.com
H.I.R. Investments
P.O. Box 852
Hampton, New Hampshire 03843
United States
(603) 997-1489 Fax -- (603) 658-1590
Domain servers in listed order:
NS2.HOSTICA.COM
NS3.HOSTICA.COM
NS1.HOSTICA.COM
-----------------------------------------
traceroute to www.scubawholesalesources.com (208.179.130.42), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 1.746 ms 0.723 ms 0.804 ms
2 dsl093-034-001.snd1.dsl.speakeasy.net (66.93.34.1) 17.180 ms 15.273 ms 15.719 ms
3 220.ge-0-1-0.cr2.lax1.speakeasy.net (69.17.82.197) 21.169 ms 15.366 ms 15.028 ms
4 200.ge-1-0-0.cr2.dfw1.speakeasy.net (69.17.82.222) 47.486 ms 46.894 ms 49.427 ms
5 * * *
6 tierzero.ge5-14.br01.lax05.pccwbtn.net (63.218.73.10) 61.557 ms 60.630 ms 64.738 ms
7 dcap02.pcap.lax01.tierzero.net (216.31.128.12) 63.419 ms 62.936 ms 61.754 ms
8 jatek-gw.dcap7.lax.ca.us.tierzero.net (208.179.135.90) 65.996 ms 63.804 ms 64.703 ms
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I always look at the domain registration, and where they are hosted and go from there...
Registered at GoDaddy.com - nothng special, most of my domains are there.
WHOIS shows some interesting stuff, like all the addresses are PO Boxes, and there's only one phone number, no smoking guns yet. Domain has been registered for about a year. Only contact email is a hotmail address...
The traceroute shows that they are hosted at tierzero.net, a network connectivity, hosting and co-lo provider, looks like LA, which matches their website, and there are a few co-lo's in the area (I'm in a few myself). Tierzero seems large-ish, so if they weren't paying their bills they wouldn't still be hosted
DNS is coming from HOSTICA.COM, which seems to also be a medium-tier ISP.
Looking at "the Google", they have advertised (at least in the past) on myspacetv, and a lot of other places. There's some "SPAMmy looking stuff at: http://xelfos.bixgik.com/Ebook-wholesaler.htm which leads to this page of testimonials: http://www.scubawholesalesources.com/testimonials.htm
There's a testimonial from a "John Wilts - San Diego" who is a "owner/instructor at a dive school here in San Diego" but seems to not be affiliated with any retail store. I'm still rather new to the San Diego diving scene, but I'm not aware of any stand-alone dive schools in the area, except maybe the commercial diving school.
Then again, there are some like http://www.scubasandiego.com/default.htm that I had never heard of, so maybe this is a red herring...
There's no listing for any John Wilts in the San Diego north county AT&T white pages, nor at whitepages.com but that's not always a good indicator.
Their website says it is a "List of International Manufacturers You Can Purchase Products From Directly Overseas" which includes lots of brand names, but not (I notice) Atomic Aquatics, but does include "Underwater Kinetics" which might be kind of odd because I think that at least some UK products are made in Poway (a suburb of San Diego)... http://www.scubawholesalesources.com/buydirect.htm
Now, looking at the "parent company" HIR Investments, they have the same domain info, and seem to have a raft of domains selling various "ebooks". See http://www.hirinvestments.com/oursites.htm
Some goodies are Quick Detective.biz, which seems to be a directory of search engines and resouces, NOT a direct search engine, http://www.swissaccountsetup.com/index.html, which is selling an ebook on how to open bank accounts, in (guess where?) Switzerland.
In short, while this probably isn't an *illegal* scam, you're probably going to be buying a book full of directory infor (names addresses) for factories and other companies, none of which have agreed to sell anything direct to anyone....
-----------------------------------------------
Registrant:
H.I.R. Investments
P.O. Box 852
Hampton, New Hampshire 03843
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: SCUBAWHOLESALESOURCES.COM
Created on: 29-Jul-06
Expires on: 29-Jul-08
Last Updated on: 26-Jul-07
Administrative Contact:
Znoj, Eric hirinvestments@hotmail.com
H.I.R. Investments
P.O. Box 852
Hampton, New Hampshire 03843
United States
(603) 997-1489 Fax -- (603) 658-1590
Technical Contact:
Znoj, Eric hirinvestments@hotmail.com
H.I.R. Investments
P.O. Box 852
Hampton, New Hampshire 03843
United States
(603) 997-1489 Fax -- (603) 658-1590
Domain servers in listed order:
NS2.HOSTICA.COM
NS3.HOSTICA.COM
NS1.HOSTICA.COM
-----------------------------------------
traceroute to www.scubawholesalesources.com (208.179.130.42), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 1.746 ms 0.723 ms 0.804 ms
2 dsl093-034-001.snd1.dsl.speakeasy.net (66.93.34.1) 17.180 ms 15.273 ms 15.719 ms
3 220.ge-0-1-0.cr2.lax1.speakeasy.net (69.17.82.197) 21.169 ms 15.366 ms 15.028 ms
4 200.ge-1-0-0.cr2.dfw1.speakeasy.net (69.17.82.222) 47.486 ms 46.894 ms 49.427 ms
5 * * *
6 tierzero.ge5-14.br01.lax05.pccwbtn.net (63.218.73.10) 61.557 ms 60.630 ms 64.738 ms
7 dcap02.pcap.lax01.tierzero.net (216.31.128.12) 63.419 ms 62.936 ms 61.754 ms
8 jatek-gw.dcap7.lax.ca.us.tierzero.net (208.179.135.90) 65.996 ms 63.804 ms 64.703 ms
9 * * *
10 * * *
11 * * *
12 * * *
13 * * *
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diver 85
Contributor
Jimmer:
I will.........I'll order 2 O-rings IF the shipping is not too much.........
OP
NorthWoodsDiver
Contributor
screw it I ordered the ebook and got this huge list that I would be happy to PM to anyone who requests it. The Ebook is hard to follow and has 55 pages of crap but all the companies overseas dont tell you specifically what products they sell. I ordered th book cause I am in the market for a butt-load of tanks and there was a specific testimonial about getting tanks for $8!! even without valves thats a great price. I'll keep everyone posted.
may i get it ? thx
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tep:SO, as far as I can tell, all they are selling is an "ebook" that tells you how to buy direct from the overseas factory, NOT actually selling gear? (I missed that the first time areound, I think...)
I always look at the domain registration, and where they are hosted and go from there...
Registered at GoDaddy.com - nothng special, most of my domains are there.
WHOIS shows some interesting stuff, like all the addresses are PO Boxes, and there's only one phone number, no smoking guns yet. Domain has been registered for about a year. Only contact email is a hotmail address...
The traceroute shows that they are hosted at tierzero.net, a network connectivity, hosting and co-lo provider, looks like LA, which matches their website, and there are a few co-lo's in the area (I'm in a few myself). Tierzero seems large-ish, so if they weren't paying their bills they wouldn't still be hosted
DNS is coming from HOSTICA.COM, which seems to also be a medium-tier ISP.
Looking at "the Google", they have advertised (at least in the past) on myspacetv, and a lot of other places. There's some "SPAMmy looking stuff at: http://xelfos.bixgik.com/Ebook-wholesaler.htm which leads to this page of testimonials: http://www.scubawholesalesources.com/testimonials.htm
There's a testimonial from a "John Wilts - San Diego" who is a "owner/instructor at a dive school here in San Diego" but seems to not be affiliated with any retail store. I'm still rather new to the San Diego diving scene, but I'm not aware of any stand-alone dive schools in the area, except maybe the commercial diving school.
Then again, there are some like http://www.scubasandiego.com/default.htm that I had never heard of, so maybe this is a red herring...
There's no listing for any John Wilts in the San Diego north county AT&T white pages, nor at whitepages.com but that's not always a good indicator.
Their website says it is a "List of International Manufacturers You Can Purchase Products From Directly Overseas" which includes lots of brand names, but not (I notice) Atomic Aquatics, but does include "Underwater Kinetics" which might be kind of odd because I think that at least some UK products are made in Poway (a suburb of San Diego)... http://www.scubawholesalesources.com/buydirect.htm
Now, looking at the "parent company" HIR Investments, they have the same domain info, and seem to have a raft of domains selling various "ebooks". See http://www.hirinvestments.com/oursites.htm
Some goodies are Quick Detective.biz, which seems to be a directory of search engines and resouces, NOT a direct search engine, http://www.swissaccountsetup.com/index.html, which is selling an ebook on how to open bank accounts, in (guess where?) Switzerland.
In short, while this probably isn't an *illegal* scam, you're probably going to be buying a book full of directory infor (names addresses) for factories and other companies, none of which have agreed to sell anything direct to anyone....
-----------------------------------------------
Registrant:
H.I.R. Investments
P.O. Box 852
Hampton, New Hampshire 03843
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: SCUBAWHOLESALESOURCES.COM
Created on: 29-Jul-06
Expires on: 29-Jul-08
Last Updated on: 26-Jul-07
Administrative Contact:
Znoj, Eric hirinvestments@hotmail.com
H.I.R. Investments
P.O. Box 852
Hampton, New Hampshire 03843
United States
(603) 997-1489 Fax -- (603) 658-1590
Technical Contact:
Znoj, Eric hirinvestments@hotmail.com
H.I.R. Investments
P.O. Box 852
Hampton, New Hampshire 03843
United States
(603) 997-1489 Fax -- (603) 658-1590
Domain servers in listed order:
NS2.HOSTICA.COM
NS3.HOSTICA.COM
NS1.HOSTICA.COM
-----------------------------------------
traceroute to www.scubawholesalesources.com (208.179.130.42), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 1.746 ms 0.723 ms 0.804 ms
2 dsl093-034-001.snd1.dsl.speakeasy.net (66.93.34.1) 17.180 ms 15.273 ms 15.719 ms
3 220.ge-0-1-0.cr2.lax1.speakeasy.net (69.17.82.197) 21.169 ms 15.366 ms 15.028 ms
4 200.ge-1-0-0.cr2.dfw1.speakeasy.net (69.17.82.222) 47.486 ms 46.894 ms 49.427 ms
5 * * *
6 tierzero.ge5-14.br01.lax05.pccwbtn.net (63.218.73.10) 61.557 ms 60.630 ms 64.738 ms
7 dcap02.pcap.lax01.tierzero.net (216.31.128.12) 63.419 ms 62.936 ms 61.754 ms
8 jatek-gw.dcap7.lax.ca.us.tierzero.net (208.179.135.90) 65.996 ms 63.804 ms 64.703 ms
9 * * *
10 * * *
11 * * *
12 * * *
13 * * *
---------------------------
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Ed Palma
Contributor
NorthWoodsDiver:
OMG. I just checked it out. :11: 59 bucks?
Well, I guess a good way to test it is to try from one of these overseas sellers. Could I have a copy?
Since I feel bad for ya, I'll even throw in 1 dollar if you send me your paypal account.
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NorthWoodsDiver:
Considering that an aluminum tank is worth somewhere north of $35 as scrap, it's unlikely you could buy one new for $8.
Terry
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