I feel a bit guilty....would you?

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Kim

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I recently did a liveaboard trip in Thailand. It was a fairly small boat with two guides/instructors/dms and we were split into two groups. My group was 4 Italians who were friends plus me, the other a larger group of Chinese (7 people) also all friends. Before our first dive I asked my guide how the buddy pairs was going to work and he told me that he was my buddy, so I said OK....that makes me yours.
Within a couple of dives it was clear that our group was very tight. Good skills, good awareness - basically nice experienced good divers who I can't see anyone having a problem with. We dived together for a couple of days....8 or 9 dives. We then made a dive from the boat which was moored and one of the Italian couples decided not to dive that one and rest...so we were 4. As we descended I realised, as did the Italians, that our guide, my buddy, was having problems with his reg. He switched a couple of times to his backup and fiddled with his main 2nd stage - even taking it apart at one point and reassembling it. We had reached the bottom - about 70 ft - and were all just hovering waiting for Raoul to fix his problem before starting to move. He decided that he couldn't and indicated that I should join the Italian couple as a third and he was going to surface. I signed no...I'll come with you and call the dive. This started a minor argument UW as Raoul didn't want me to call my dive and wanted me to continue with the Italians. He was our guide....an instructor with MUCH more experience than me - we were still basically directly under the boat. I gave in and let him go and we made our dive as a three man team.
Later I told Raoul that actually I felt really bad about it and he just laughed. It all went OK, but as I told him...what if something had happened? Under any other circumstances I wouldn't have allowed myself to be talked into allowing my buddy to ascend alone, especially when I already knew he had a problem. This was the 'boss' though and he really didn't want me to ascend with him.

What would you have done?

(if you want to flame me feel free but please do it politely....deep down I feel bad enough already....)
 
The wise choice would have been to accompany him back to the surface and call the dive. To ease his guilt he could have gotten you a few beers after diving.

OTOH, I probably would have trusted his experience as well.

I guess it's a good thing nothing bad happened.
 
Kim:
I recently did a liveaboard trip in Thailand. It was a fairly small boat with two guides/instructors/dms and we were split into two groups. My group was 4 Italians who were friends plus me, the other a larger group of Chinese (7 people) also all friends. Before our first dive I asked my guide how the buddy pairs was going to work and he told me that he was my buddy, so I said OK....that makes me yours.
Within a couple of dives it was clear that our group was very tight. Good skills, good awareness - basically nice experienced good divers who I can't see anyone having a problem with. We dived together for a couple of days....8 or 9 dives. We then made a dive from the boat which was moored and one of the Italian couples decided not to dive that one and rest...so we were 4. As we descended I realised, as did the Italians, that our guide, my buddy, was having problems with his reg. He switched a couple of times to his backup and fiddled with his main 2nd stage - even taking it apart at one point and reassembling it. We had reached the bottom - about 70 ft - and were all just hovering waiting for Raoul to fix his problem before starting to move. He decided that he couldn't and indicated that I should join the Italian couple as a third and he was going to surface. I signed no...I'll come with you and call the dive. This started a minor argument UW as Raoul didn't want me to call my dive and wanted me to continue with the Italians. He was our guide....an instructor with MUCH more experience than me - we were still basically directly under the boat. I gave in and let him go and we made our dive as a three man team.
Later I told Raoul that actually I felt really bad about it and he just laughed. It all went OK, but as I told him...what if something had happened? Under any other circumstances I wouldn't have allowed myself to be talked into allowing my buddy to ascend alone, especially when I already knew he had a problem. This was the 'boss' though and he really didn't want me to ascend with him.

What would you have done?

(if you want to flame me feel free but please do it politely....deep down I feel bad enough already....)

It sounds like the instructor was quite comfortable ascending on his own, so I wouldn't worry about it. I reckon if he needed someone to come up with him, he would have let you know. No sweat. Just forget about it.

As a general policy, I think your attitude to call the dive is the right one, and a good one.
But I wouldn't worry too much about this particular one.

E:)
 
I think it was enough that you really wanted to do the right thing. That said, if you were uncomfortable diving as a 3, you should have gone with him anyway. If he was comfortable with the situation, and you were, then that's just the way things are.

No need for guilt. Even if something DID happen, it was HIS call and he was leading the dive.
 
Well Kim you feel guilty probably because you know you knew you should have stayed with him and ascended, but his insistance threw you off your game.

You've no doubt heard many of the accidents that started........."We left him to ascend alone...........found dead on the surface a short time later......."

You know it's a no-brainer and I'm sure you'll never do that again.

As has been said before, you're either committed to "team" or you're not. There's little middle ground here.

There's not much he's going to do to physically stop you from ascending with him. And if it happened to him again, maybe he would recall what you did with him and choose to make a similar choice, the safest one. Do what you know is right and to hell with what ANYONE says differently. He was obviously wrong here. Comfort makes one complacent, I think we all know that.

If he felt bad enough to wreck your dive........I like the beer idea.
 
You did the right thing. His octo was working, what's the big deal? He was in absolutely no danger.
 
Kim:
I recently did a liveaboard trip in Thailand. It was a fairly small boat with two guides/instructors/dms and we were split into two groups. My group was 4 Italians who were friends plus me, the other a larger group of Chinese (7 people) also all friends. Before our first dive I asked my guide how the buddy pairs was going to work and he told me that he was my buddy, so I said OK....that makes me yours.
Within a couple of dives it was clear that our group was very tight. Good skills, good awareness - basically nice experienced good divers who I can't see anyone having a problem with. We dived together for a couple of days....8 or 9 dives. We then made a dive from the boat which was moored and one of the Italian couples decided not to dive that one and rest...so we were 4. As we descended I realised, as did the Italians, that our guide, my buddy, was having problems with his reg. He switched a couple of times to his backup and fiddled with his main 2nd stage - even taking it apart at one point and reassembling it. We had reached the bottom - about 70 ft - and were all just hovering waiting for Raoul to fix his problem before starting to move. He decided that he couldn't and indicated that I should join the Italian couple as a third and he was going to surface. I signed no...I'll come with you and call the dive. This started a minor argument UW as Raoul didn't want me to call my dive and wanted me to continue with the Italians. He was our guide....an instructor with MUCH more experience than me - we were still basically directly under the boat. I gave in and let him go and we made our dive as a three man team.
Later I told Raoul that actually I felt really bad about it and he just laughed. It all went OK, but as I told him...what if something had happened? Under any other circumstances I wouldn't have allowed myself to be talked into allowing my buddy to ascend alone, especially when I already knew he had a problem. This was the 'boss' though and he really didn't want me to ascend with him.

What would you have done?

(if you want to flame me feel free but please do it politely....deep down I feel bad enough already....)
If you were uncomfortable doing what you did, it wasn't the right thing to do.

Don't we all learn to dive within our comfort zone?

What would I have done? I'd have accompanied him to about 20 fsw, watched him surface, and dropped back down. If I could not locate the Italian couple at that point, I'd have enjoyed a nice, relaxing solo dive.

But that's just me ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
While its safest to ascend with a buddy you didn't do anything wrong, your attitude is the one I would want to see if you were diving with me. If I told you to stay down though I would expect you to do as you were asked. I've only done that one time while diving in a threesome, we got down the anchor line and I just didn't like the dive so told my buddies (one was my husband) I was aborting but they should buddy up and dive. The look on my husband's face was probably the same one you gave the DM and he gave me "buddy up, ascend" and I told him "no, you two buddy up, dive, I'm ok but ascending." If I'd been having an equipment malfunction however I would have them escort me to the surface. I knew there were two more divers coming down the line so I would always have someone close enough to go to if I had a problem. You shouldn't feel bad, all went well. Here's a tip if you are in the situation again, when they tell you to stay down and you don't feel comfortable with that order just signal "sinus squeeze, ascend." Sometimes you have to go all the way to the surface to get the doggone things to clear and sometimes they won't clear at all so you have to abort the dive :wink:
Ber :lilbunny:
 
You did fine. If he wants to do a solo ascent that badly, let him.
 

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