The Canadian Seal Slaughter

[wardric]

Wardric says;
"I think all of the seal must be used. meat, bones, fur."
Not the case at all. The carcass is wasted.

you are playing with words here. Meat and fur are used.

 

[StevenN]

A picture is worth a thousand words-
WARNING- VERY GRAPHIC!!


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[nwbobber]

Of course, these seals wouldn't be starving to death if the "managers" hadn't allowed the polar bear to be hunted to the extent that they have. Now with global warming (you don't have to tell me, I know you choose not to believe it is real) the polar bears are in real danger of extinction. So you think all the people who think we should respect the balance of nature that our creator designed into it, should let these managers keep it in balance. I don't.

OK now let me hear some of your ideas. I don't want to be told this is how it is- get used to it... If you can't come up with something to contribute to a discussion, sit on the sidelines.

 

[wedivebc]

Ha! We are back to this again! I love how the human race has gladly placed itself on a pedestal above animal kind. I also find it quite disturbing that human beings can actually watch the video NatureDiver posted and not be totally mortified by it and want the practice of seal hunting and the fur trade at the very least forced to enact more humane methods. Personally I am totally against the seal hunt and the fur trade. I am not a supporter of Peta however but I am still against what the Canadian government allows concerning the seal hunt.

Back to my original statement: Look how we as humans have separated ourselves from the natural world. Papa Bear, I have read in other posts where you stated that human beings are a natural part of the world so what we do (industry, scuba, etc.) with technology then becomes natural. If we are such a natural part of a natural world (which I feel we are) why do we place ourselves so high above other living things.

Think of the punishment a group of people would get if they stormed a daycare and started clubbing 3 month or 3 year old children to death then skinned them alive and fashioned them into a nice coat. In human terms such actions make a person who does that to another person a "serial killer" or "mass murderer" but we gleefully accept that behavior when a person does that to another living being, in this case a seal. We even wear the animals fur on an overpriced coat buying into the industry that fuels the killing.

Gandhi perhaps one of Earth's greatest humanitarians once said, "That a nation's moral progress would be judged by how they treat their animals." Bashing in the skulls of an animal then skinning it alive may perhaps represent one of the worst ways to treat any living thing. I read that Wardric commented that "there are no pretty ways to die" but that "the Canadian sealers methods are designed to be less cruel then others." IMO that is like saying that the IED roadside bombs being used to kill U.S. troops in Iraq are designed to be more humane ways of killing someone, that's totally nuts!

I do agree Wardric that there are no pretty ways to die. As a race human beings could do a lot less killing. We do plenty of killing when it comes to killing each other in disgusting ways but we do even more killing when it comes to killing animals. We kill eco-systems and we have darn near killed our oceans.

The great American novelist Kurt Vonnegut (one of my personal heroes) gave up on the notion that there was any real - true hearted goodness left in humanity. Luckily I am not to that point yet, though seeing wicked men bash in the brains of helpless baby animals and listen to some of Scuba Board's users defend their actions and make up miserable excuses as to why it's alright makes me totally understand Mr. Vonnegut's position.

Kudos to SS - keep up the good work guys!

Seems to me aquaman you should be out hugging lobsters or shrimp as your name suggests. Who is fighting their cause? They suffer a much worse fate being kept in dark smelly holds of ships only to end up in a pot of boiling water. I can almost hear them screaming now. Why not fight their cause since millions of shrimp are needlessly slaughtered each year compared to a few hundred seals. Seems you don't have your priorities straight.

 

[wardric]

Ha! We are back to this again! I love how the human race has gladly placed itself on a pedestal above animal kind. I also find it quite disturbing that human beings can actually watch the video NatureDiver posted and not be totally mortified by it and want the practice of seal hunting and the fur trade at the very least forced to enact more humane methods. Personally I am totally against the seal hunt and the fur trade. I am not a supporter of Peta however but I am still against what the Canadian government allows concerning the seal hunt.

Back to my original statement: Look how we as humans have separated ourselves from the natural world. Papa Bear, I have read in other posts where you stated that human beings are a natural part of the world so what we do (industry, scuba, etc.) with technology then becomes natural. If we are such a natural part of a natural world (which I feel we are) why do we place ourselves so high above other living things.

Think of the punishment a group of people would get if they stormed a daycare and started clubbing 3 month or 3 year old children to death then skinned them alive and fashioned them into a nice coat. In human terms such actions make a person who does that to another person a "serial killer" or "mass murderer" but we gleefully accept that behavior when a person does that to another living being, in this case a seal. We even wear the animals fur on an overpriced coat buying into the industry that fuels the killing.

Gandhi perhaps one of Earth's greatest humanitarians once said, "That a nation's moral progress would be judged by how they treat their animals." Bashing in the skulls of an animal then skinning it alive may perhaps represent one of the worst ways to treat any living thing. I read that Wardric commented that "there are no pretty ways to die" but that "the Canadian sealers methods are designed to be less cruel then others." IMO that is like saying that the IED roadside bombs being used to kill U.S. troops in Iraq are designed to be more humane ways of killing someone, that's totally nuts!

I do agree Wardric that there are no pretty ways to die. As a race human beings could do a lot less killing. We do plenty of killing when it comes to killing each other in disgusting ways but we do even more killing when it comes to killing animals. We kill eco-systems and we have darn near killed our oceans.

The great American novelist Kurt Vonnegut (one of my personal heroes) gave up on the notion that there was any real - true hearted goodness left in humanity. Luckily I am not to that point yet, though seeing wicked men bash in the brains of helpless baby animals and listen to some of Scuba Board's users defend their actions and make up miserable excuses as to why it's alright makes me totally understand Mr. Vonnegut's position.

Kudos to SS - keep up the good work guys!

to choose what can die and what can live based on "human" factors like cudliness or our definition of intelligence IS putting yourself on a pedestal.

The method used, I repeat is the most humane way. Veterinary associations have testified to it. Not hunters, not governements, VETERINARIES for Gods sake.

We must eat, therefore we must kill. Why do you put yourself over plants and fish? why is it "better" to kill a carrot or a cod than to kill a seal? Each time you eat something, you have killed. Each time. We dont eat rocks, we dont do photosynthesis.

And how does war compare to gathering food??? in this one, you lost me completely :huh:

How can you bash a skull, which kills instantly the creature, and then skin it alive? If we would skin em' alive and then bash their skulls I'd understand but the other way around??? A flying headless chicken is dead, just like a moving skull crushed seal is.

The only thing I agree with you is this: We kill eco-systems and we have darn near killed our oceans. But it has nothing to do with hunting overabundant ressources like seals. Even fur is not the devil some may try to make you think. Fur is a renewable ressource, if well managed. Synthetics are not since they are made of petroleum products.

Unfortunately, I dont think you read all the posts because many of your comments had already been ansered and i'm just repeating and I feel it's a bit useless.

 

[wardric]

 

[wedivebc]

 

[wardric]

WARNiNG - VERY GRAPHIC

Spoiler

for some people it would be...

 

[Papa_Bear]

They feel the same way about Trees! Why do you think they call it Earth First? It puts man as a parasite to be eliminated! No difference than the the radical Islamic movement! We get the short end on everything! Yet we live in the best times ever seen by mankind! You will never convince someone to give up their Mother Earth as their godhead! It is their religion and they just know they are doing good!

 

[Papa_Bear]

Now I am getting hungry! Thanks! How about some Tuna free dolphin?