diverdwn71
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Sorry people, I just found out it's Oahu, not Maui. My bad! So anyway, will the diving still be good in March?
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I just came back from Maui and March can be crowded with Spring Break, but the good news is the Humpback whales are still there. March is still winter so the Ocean can be unpredictable, but my 2 weeks were great!
diverdwn71
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Thanks for the info. I can't wait! Just sucks I have to wait till next year. So what was the water temp?
rectec... you need to read the current and proposed statutes. It's not centered around accepting payment, it's centered around *contracting* services. You'll find that even the primers on contract law include the fact that consideration must be exchanged (i.e. I'll do this if you give me that.) Since there is no consideration required of one party, there is no contract.
The dive ops run year round. Occasionally, during the slow season (*not* March!) they'll take their boats out for maintenance for a couple days.
Since Sean decided to clarify his side, I figured I should clarify mine as well.
I have no first hand knowledge of B&B's boat operations. I do, however, have a half-dozen first-hand experiences in their shop, and their customer service there ranged from poor to less than poor in all but one instance.
As Sean mentioned, I do have a network of diver friends here that do have first hand experience on B&B's boat and now refuse to dive with them for a variety of reasons.
So here's what I *know* about B&B:
1. they are among the cheapest (if not *the* cheapest) charter to Molokini
2. they are among the earliest to leave the Kihei boat ramp
3. they are the primary technical diving training location on Maui, including CCR and trimix
4. they bring three DM's on the boat to better handle the varied experience levels
You'll find that many of the things that people celebrate about B&B are actually common on dive boats here. The matching of experience levels, decent meals and friendly people. There are exceptions and everybody has bad days -- I try to go for the "three strike" rule before considering it a common trend.
One last quick comment about the beach park permit baloney. A lot of people have seen the legislation (proposed and current) and presume to know what's legal and illegal, without having actually understood it. This includes the people that are enforcing it that claim the mere fact that someone is teaching makes it against the rules.
Basically, if you're going to call what I do illegal / against the rules, it means that when you go to the beach with your friend's friend so he can teach you how to surf, he's violating the rules now too. Especially if you buy him lunch afterwards. Because that's exactly what I'm doing -- except for scuba.
I have no first hand knowledge of B&B's boat operations. I do, however, have a half-dozen first-hand experiences in their shop, and their customer service there ranged from poor to less than poor in all but one instance.
As Sean mentioned, I do have a network of diver friends here that do have first hand experience on B&B's boat and now refuse to dive with them for a variety of reasons.
So here's what I *know* about B&B:
1. they are among the cheapest (if not *the* cheapest) charter to Molokini
2. they are among the earliest to leave the Kihei boat ramp
3. they are the primary technical diving training location on Maui, including CCR and trimix
4. they bring three DM's on the boat to better handle the varied experience levels
You'll find that many of the things that people celebrate about B&B are actually common on dive boats here. The matching of experience levels, decent meals and friendly people. There are exceptions and everybody has bad days -- I try to go for the "three strike" rule before considering it a common trend.
One last quick comment about the beach park permit baloney. A lot of people have seen the legislation (proposed and current) and presume to know what's legal and illegal, without having actually understood it. This includes the people that are enforcing it that claim the mere fact that someone is teaching makes it against the rules.
Basically, if you're going to call what I do illegal / against the rules, it means that when you go to the beach with your friend's friend so he can teach you how to surf, he's violating the rules now too. Especially if you buy him lunch afterwards. Because that's exactly what I'm doing -- except for scuba.
Considering I'm speaking of my personal experiences going in there to purchase items or discuss the possibility of bringing them business, I think that's a yes.
To clarify: it was to purchase simple items and I stood waiting with nary a "hello" for 5-10 minutes; the other time was to discuss bringing students on the boat. I was expecting a similar deal to what other operators had offered -- bring a student (or two) and the instructor's seat is comp'd. No other conditions. Unfortunately, that's not how they do things and they made it plain that even walking into their shop wearing logowear from either of two ops was grounds enough to be thrown out.
Does this count as first hand experience and knowledge?
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Absolutely. I would have to say if you presented yourself at B&B as you have on SB, it would come to me as no surprise that your reception was less than welcoming.
It also confirms, in my view, that your issues are personal and you are a biased, yet highly verbose, source of misinformation.
The thing you're missing is that wonderful thing called body language. I say stuff pretty much straight up here, yet continually people choose to read between the lines -- that's as much the source of miscommunication / misunderstanding. Jim has, above, posted something that speaks of my in-person communication.
You can call me biased if you want -- but keep in mind that I wasn't shorted anything. I had the same offer pending from other vendors and was hoping to bring some business to B&B because of what people were saying here about them being so great. Unfortunately, they didn't want it, and they proceeded to turn it into a customer service issue. I'm not out anything by not being affiliated with B&B -- given the continued comments I hear from other locals, I've actually improved my reputation by not being affiliated with them.
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What exactly do you think the locals are saying about you? The Canadian genius who doesn't have a permit and takes incomes from professionals by giving 'free' certs and services?
I only know what went down by your words and how you come across here. Knowing what I do, it sounds as though you came across as doing them a favor. I don't have any affiliation with B&B, but have done a few dives with them and it seemed like they were doing pretty well without your help. You come in with.. what.... 6 months under your belt as an instructor and are going to "help them out" by taking your charity students out on the boat?
I'd have pitched your ass out of the shop faster than you could say "Wait, I'm a genius!".
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