This would be great, if all the occurences happened via PM. However, the point being made is that there is often no notification of an action being taken. Sometimes it's obvious what the action is and why, but often times not.
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This would be great, if all the occurences happened via PM. However, the point being made is that there is often no notification of an action being taken. Sometimes it's obvious what the action is and why, but often times not.
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ScubaSteve
Wow.....what a DB
boy this thread went into left field while I was gone!
Yup....did ya see the part where I became a MOD? Wait, that was over in LB's world
. I am pretty confident that while people have the best of intentions, nothing will change because it is really just Robert here trying to diffuse the situation (BTW your involvement is appreciated Robert) and maybe understand for himself what our issues are.I see. I think you're putting your finger on something important. There are two main issues at play the way I see it.
1) Not everyone is the same and many moderation actions require "judgement calls". Any time you ask 3 people to make a judgement call you're going to get three different interpretations and possibly 3 different actions. We do, in fact, discuss reports in the back room but it doesn't always lead to consistency.
2) There tends to be a bit of a moving baseline with respect to what gets moderated. There is also a grey area. Too much and people don't like it. Too little and they don't like it either. Somewhere in between there's a happy medium but the bar tends to move, which means that what we did *this* week might not be the same as what we did *last* week. I can certainly understand taht being confusing. It confuses me too! LOL
How do you think we should address those issues?
R..
Yeah, El Orans posted about alternatives if you don't receive a PM.
Also, If a modpost was left in the thread you can use the REPORT button on that post and ask for someone to explain it.
R..
Maybe there could be a SB challenege for some of our, how shall we say "nerdier" posters to create the VBulletien plugins they want to see on SB. . . just an idea
somehow I don't doubt it : DThere isn't. It's not a bad idea though. We do have some members who generate a lot of reports. Sometimes we trade them off. We rotate who deals with ONESPEED, for example....
(just kidding, we really don't do this)
But we probably should.... LOL
R..
what do you mean, winning?Soooo.... who's winning the contest???
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Back on subject... FWIW, we do try to notify both posters and reporters when posts are deleted. When posts are just edited, the notification to both is in the "reason for editing," and often there won't be a redundant PM as well.
We also try to ferret out any downstream discussion that is the progeny of the deleted material and remove that, too... where things get really "unfair" is when a TOS violation results in a good solid discussion downstream that has value. In that case we'll try to maintain the good stuff while eliminating the bad, but it's often clunky and a bit rocky in the train-of-thought arena.
Another point - most of the time Mod actions follow reports rather than original finds, so, if one individual gets reported more than another, fairly or unfairly, that individual will get more moderation than the ones not reported. Got any "ex's with axes" out there???
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I do see several volunteers for mod duty surfacing here...
Rick
vladimir makes a good point: http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/4493147-post57.html
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Is there a feature in VB that allows a PM to be sent to a poster when the report button is hit on their post, ie I get "reported" in basic scuba for flaming, I get a short PM saying I a post has been reported? Maybe have an option when a post is reported, flaming, namecalling, off topic, etc. the PM shouldn't include the reporter, or the text box as to why it was reported just that the post was reported with a link to it.
You should probably expand ONESPEEDs PM box before you do this to at least 25,000. . .
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ScubaSteve
Wow.....what a DB
I think communication is one major factor as already discussed. Perhaps warnings in threads indicating what the MODS are "considering intervening on" rather than waiting until the end and deleting everything. This would require TIME and does happen sometimes. This does not tell tell the individual what they are doing but may spark a change. This is just an off-the-cuff idea.
Perhaps more cross over of "judgement calls" amongst the staffers. People like Rick are GREAT at what they do and I am not sure that I have ever had an issue with his judgment (this is not to center anybody out). Perhapos if something seems to be getting out of control, having a couple staffers read it over (perhaps while it is active rather than removing the thread temporarily - unless it is spinning wildly that is) the cleansing will be more in line with what the TOS are interpreted as. Maybe not. But once decisions are made, I think it is important to notify specific people what they did wrong OR that they were just caught in the crossfire. Again, just an off-the-cuff idea.
I am sure I and others have other ideas.....but I do agree that the job is not an easy one to satisfy everybody (too much/too little) but I think some do a great job and others....not so much sometimes.
Perhaps more cross over of "judgement calls" amongst the staffers. People like Rick are GREAT at what they do and I am not sure that I have ever had an issue with his judgment (this is not to center anybody out). Perhapos if something seems to be getting out of control, having a couple staffers read it over (perhaps while it is active rather than removing the thread temporarily - unless it is spinning wildly that is) the cleansing will be more in line with what the TOS are interpreted as. Maybe not. But once decisions are made, I think it is important to notify specific people what they did wrong OR that they were just caught in the crossfire. Again, just an off-the-cuff idea.
I am sure I and others have other ideas.....but I do agree that the job is not an easy one to satisfy everybody (too much/too little) but I think some do a great job and others....not so much sometimes.
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ScubaSteve
Wow.....what a DB
I thanked him but then deleted the text because I would have been off topic and thus had even more posts deleted from that thread.
Yup....did ya see the part where I became a MOD? Wait, that was over in LB's world
Not entirely. I'm just the point guy who tried to draw people out. I'm not trying to defuse it, I'm trying to get the issues out in the open. I'm sure most of the mods are following this discussion, even if most are not posting.
I have to go. If someone feels so inclined I would appreciate it if someone could make a summary of the main points. That summary will get copied into the back room where the mods can discuss it.
R..
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