JeffG
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"This Forum"..do you mean the main DIR forum. If so, then the problem wasn't enforcement...it was confusion. When the split occurred there was a disconnect on the rules for the forum.
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"This Forum"..do you mean the main DIR forum. If so, then the problem wasn't enforcement...it was confusion. When the split occurred there was a disconnect on the rules for the forum.
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When the rules were written, there was no DIR Practicioner's forum ... therefore the rules were intended to be applied to the main DIR forum.
The reason why a DIR Practicioner's forum was created was because the rules were never enforced, and it was easier to create a new "opt-in" forum than to enforce the rules.
I think the primary motivation behind that was because the people most often breaking the rules were the ones who's job it was to enforce them.
... Bob (Grateful Diver)
JeffG
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I have to step out for a bit...but I kinda disagree with you, but I don't have enough time to make myself clear.
JeffG
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Why weren't the rules enforced???
This is your reasoning.
I don't think that is the case. I believe it is human nature to question things, give opinions and the rules of the DIR forum are pretty much contrary to that...making it impossible to make the rules work. (the only solution would of been heavy moderation.)
I think there is a need for a DIR forum where the rules allow full debate from both sides (pro and con) and the fact that the topic seems to bring out the passions on both sides I see as a good thing.
So I would say the split was a natural progression due to the nature of humans discussing topics.
Jeff, if you want full debate, post it in another forum. It will go to hell and the DIR content will disappear. The purpose of the regular DIR forum is to make sure the DIR content is the primary content. It can be discussed in relation to its merits vs. non-DIR practices but promoting complete buffonery isn't allowed.
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The ongoing gas management thread is a good example ... does DIR teach anything about "CGR"?
Not that I've heard.
I have my own way of doing gas management calcs ... but I don't promote them in the DIR forum.
... Bob (Grateful Diver)
Not that I've heard.
I have my own way of doing gas management calcs ... but I don't promote them in the DIR forum.
... Bob (Grateful Diver)
JeffG
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If DIR is central to the debate...then the DIR forum is the perfect place.
Why not? Its a discussion board. The forum only dictates a central subject matter. If someone says..I think the DIR procedure XYZ is wrong and you should do ABC. Should be allowed. IMO
The fact is...is that people want that kind of debate. Thats why it keeps showing up.
JeffG
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So...A thread gets posted in the wrong forum. Not the first time and it won't be the last.
Whats the big deal???
Geez people...its a DISCUSSION board. LOL As if we are the source of truth for anything.
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As in "What is the DIR solution to MGR?"
Which is immediately followed by a schedule that ignores deep stops and does a straight 30 fpm ascent to your first bottle switch?
Promoted by a guy who bends himself doing deep air dives and making "on the fly" deco adjustments that won't work for the gas he's breathing?
What does any of that have to do with DIR?
... Bob (Grateful Diver)
As I understand it, the original DIR forum was created, at UP's instigation, as a place where people interested in the system could come and ask questions about it, without being piled on by people either giving invalid answers, or criticizing the poster for being interested in the first place. It actually worked reasonably well for a long time, thanks to some fairly draconian moderation. (UP, for example, would remove trip reports or other "DIR" topics, as they weren't questions about the "how to" of the system.)
With some major changes in moderator personnel a few years ago, that level of moderation fell off, and the forum began to change form. This led to the discussions that broke the DIR forum into two pieces -- one, as Jeff says, permitting discussion, and the other theoretically not doing so. I don't think there has been much issue about the threads in the Practitioner's forum, but basically nobody posts there.
It is difficult to see how to moderate the open forum, as non-DIR answers are permitted, as is discussion and argument. So what do you throw out? I agree with Brian, that the noise can overwhelm the valuable content there, and the only way a reader knows what's DIR and what's not is if DIR folks post to identify the non-DIR answers as such. Short of having a canned response to the OP, identifying the two forums and suggesting a reposting, I don't know what else we can do.
I think, honestly, that some of the discussions in the open forum have been quite valuable, and I enjoy the input from some very experienced and knowledgeable people who may critique the system in some details. But probably, those discussions could simply take place in the general scuba forums. The original questions that prompt them, however, probably wouldn't get posted there . . .
With some major changes in moderator personnel a few years ago, that level of moderation fell off, and the forum began to change form. This led to the discussions that broke the DIR forum into two pieces -- one, as Jeff says, permitting discussion, and the other theoretically not doing so. I don't think there has been much issue about the threads in the Practitioner's forum, but basically nobody posts there.
It is difficult to see how to moderate the open forum, as non-DIR answers are permitted, as is discussion and argument. So what do you throw out? I agree with Brian, that the noise can overwhelm the valuable content there, and the only way a reader knows what's DIR and what's not is if DIR folks post to identify the non-DIR answers as such. Short of having a canned response to the OP, identifying the two forums and suggesting a reposting, I don't know what else we can do.
I think, honestly, that some of the discussions in the open forum have been quite valuable, and I enjoy the input from some very experienced and knowledgeable people who may critique the system in some details. But probably, those discussions could simply take place in the general scuba forums. The original questions that prompt them, however, probably wouldn't get posted there . . .
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