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If you look to the top of the page, at the title of this thread; the second half is "BP/W Subgroup Mindset" - which makes every TOS violation, every hijack and every dogpile, ON TOPIC!
For the record the only posts I have "reported" are back early when Tortuga68 was speed spamming serious garbage. I personally would have preferred that all the vicious mud slinging had not been cleaned out; because it accurately shows a very small but very loud SB BP/W Subgroup Mindset.
This is not the first time something I have already brought up in this thread is then later "used against me" by the SB BP/W Subgroup. And presented as a revelation.
I'm pretty sure all I've ever said with regards to BC purchasing advice is along the lines of "the gear the vast majority of divers diving dives like the purchaser dives (or intends to dive) seems like gear that should be considered."
*dave* made the quoted post above for the 424th post in this thread. Below is post 168.
halemanō;5746591:An alternate concept in the thread is BP/W proponents stating their anecdotal opinion as if it were fact when advicing people who are seeking information with which to make a decision. There are plenty of valid reasons one might chose a BP/W, so there should be no reason to MAKE UP reasons.
Another recent thread whined about a Dive Magazines dive gear advice articles not being much more than biased advertising of the gear made by the manufacturers paying for advertising in the magazine. How can anyone say the advice on SB does not have a similar bias towards the core supporters of SB?
The vast majority of divers who own their own BC own Vest BC's. If one is doing dives similar to the dives being done by that vast majority, why is it so bad to say vest BC's just maybe should be considered, especially considering vest (jacket) is in the title of most of the threads posted by members looking for advise.
Dan claimed divers who have gone the BP/W route "as a group, have typically gone this route becuase they wanted to be more streamlined and to have a system that allows easier weight shifting and customization to achieve optimal trim and perfect fit." Please quote DAN when he has ever indicated anything he has claimed about BP/W's superiority over anything else as his OPINION.
I think the on topic responses to this thread have shown that at least with regards to the brave few who managed to stay on topic, Dan's OPINION typed as fact was not even a very accurate OPINION.
I think the top valid reasons someone should consider a BP/W are a strong desire to eventually go tech, cold water diving necessitating a Dry Suit, someone really big and someone wanting to use doubles. By typing I think, I qualify it so that it is obviously my opinion. That way if you think differently, I am not implying that your thoughts are inferior.
That is my point in all of this lately; we are all scuba divers so we have something in common and we could easily get along better if we typed in a way that accurately described anecdotal opinion as anecdotal opinion.
Sas eventually admitted that she feels every BP/W she has used worked better for her than every vest BC she has used. Opinions based on a list of different gear. Where have I ever given Sas any grief for saying that?
Dan says that "I DO say the bp/wing is always the right tool," which implies that every one who does not chose to use a BP/W is using the wrong tool! What about side mount or no mount divers? Do you think they think that what Dan typed as if he were speaking the one knowledge of diving is actually the one knowledge of diving?
"BP/W's vent better than Vest's" and "BP/W's are more streamlined than Vest's" are ignorant statements even if they are qualified as opinion, because not every BP/W vents easier than every Vest and not every BP/W is more streamlined than every Vest.
How can giving someone ignorant advice be considered helping someone make an informed choice? This thread has given people with those kinds of questions some really good reasons why many members have gone the BP/W route. I have probably done more for the pro BP/W movement with this thread than all the ignorant absolute BS ever spewed by the BP/W propagandists here on SB, but I have also let many members see the true colors of a lot of the so called INTERNET EXPERTS.
Many of the so called INTERNET EXPERTS are not interested in free expression of opinion, unless it is the same opinion they hold themselves!
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