How great is the risk (in your perception)?

[The Chairman]

It's not hard to see that not having enough gas to ascend in event of a rebreather failure can lead to drowning.

So, you obviously don't have a clue about team bail out. Kewl. Why act like you do? I'm not trying to be insulting here, but give it a rest. When you get all confrontational about how "dumb" something is but don't understand the underlying premises of the strategy, you end up sounding ignorant. I've yet to hear of a single accident caused by this strategy ever and the divers I know who do use it, do a great job of planning and executing their dives. It's not like some fidiot who jumps in with no plan, insufficient bail out and a "Jesus is my Co-Pilot" bumper sticker. One of the biggest problems with tech divers is a lack of respect for those who dive differently than you. I don't get it.

 

[PfcAJ]

So, you obviously don't have a clue about team bail out. Kewl. Why act like you do? I'm not trying to be insulting here, but give it a rest. When you get all confrontational about how "dumb" something is but don't understand the underlying premises of the strategy, you end up sounding ignorant. I've yet to hear of a single accident caused by this strategy ever and the divers I know who do use it, do a great job of planning and executing their dives. It's not like some fidiot who jumps in with no plan, insufficient bail out and a "Jesus is my Co-Pilot" bumper sticker. One of the biggest problems with tech divers is a lack of respect for those who dive differently than you. I don't get it.

I totally get it dude. You're dependent on a buddy to carry your gas. It's not a hard concept.

And I had to lol at the idea that I don't know how to use a rebreather.

 

[LiteHedded]

I totally get it dude. You're dependent on a buddy to carry your gas. It's not a hard concept.

And I had to lol at the idea that I don't know how to use a rebreather.

When you have as many breather hours as Pete you can comment

 

[PfcAJ]

When you have as many breather hours as Pete you can comment

I'll start diving it all the time at peacock. Only way to catch up.

 

[wedivebc]

A single failure means you are no longer an independent diver and you are totally reliant on your buddy to ensure you don't drown or get bent. No where in technical diving is this appropriate. From day one dive planning is all about being able to independently survive at least one equipment failure without assistance. To me this is even more important in rebreather diving as the system is simply more complex. More seals, scrubber, one way valves, maybe electronics, and so forth.

The idea of "I can't carry enough gas to complete the dive" is just a symptom of a bigger problem: poor equipment configuration, lack of physical ability (either skills or fitness to do the dive), or lack of discipline (lazy, not managing bottom times, reluctance to buy the required gear, diving off a boat that's not equipped to accommodate the planes dive, etc).


Team bailout is bad practice.

For someone like yourself who practices a very structured team style of diving that is a surprising comment. The OC team diver puts great emphasis on a team member's ability to donate long hose, and carry rock bottom gas in order to mitigate a single failure from any team member. This is no different than team bailout philosophy in a rebreather team. I am not talking about an ad hoc group of insta-buddies but a team of divers employing team bailout place the same reliance on each team member as an OC group of team divers who are practiced and trained in that forrn of diving.

 

[tomfcrist]

When you have as many breather hours as Pete you can comment

I'll start diving it all the time at peacock. Only way to catch up.

Y'all are brutal...I kind of like it...

 

[The Chairman]

I totally get it dude. You're dependent on a buddy to carry your gas.

You obviously don't. As I posted earlier, I don't use that strategy. This is like talking to a wall. I almost always dive solo and even with a buddy, I dive as if I were solo. But thanks for the unnecessary snark. Let me know when you want to have a real discussion and not just something to bolster your ego. I'm out of this discussion as I don't need the trolling.

 

[PfcAJ]

For someone like yourself who practices a very structured team style of diving that is a surprising comment. The OC team diver puts great emphasis on a team member's ability to donate long hose, and carry rock bottom gas in order to mitigate a single failure from any team member. This is no different than team bailout philosophy in a rebreather team. I am not talking about an ad hoc group of insta-buddies but a team of divers employing team bailout place the same reliance on each team member as an OC group of team divers who are practiced and trained in that forrn of diving.

Ability to donate is important. But it's not a first tier response. Each diver still has enough gas to manage a failure without going to his buddy.

Howabout this. Cave diving with a single tank. Same same. Reliant on a buddy to exit.

Bad practice and dangerous.

 

[wedivebc]

Ability to donate is important. But it's not a first tier response. Each diver still has enough gas to manage a failure without going to his buddy.

Howabout this. Cave diving with a single tank. Same same. Reliant on a buddy to exit.

Bad practice and dangerous.

It sounds to me like you have formed a strong opinion with little or no knowledge on the subject. Most big dives are planned using team bailout. We once did a cave dive that required 7 stages for 3 divers. If we had each carried enough bailout in order to mitigate 3 simultanious failures (which is what your scenario seems to suggest) we would have required 21 bailout tanks. Since this was in the jungle in Thailand the logistics would have been impossible. Maybe if you ever do some big boy diving you'll understand.

 

[PfcAJ]

It sounds to me like you have formed a strong opinion with little or no knowledge on the subject. Most big dives are planned using team bailout. We once did a cave dive that required 7 stages for 3 divers. If we had each carried enough bailout in order to mitigate 3 simultanious failures (which is what your scenario seems to suggest) we would have required 21 bailout tanks. Since this was in the jungle in Thailand the logistics would have been impossible. Maybe if you ever do some big boy diving you'll understand.

maybe someday I'll do a real dive.

You've got guys in the ocean doing 20min exposures at 200ft doing this team bailout nonsense.

In any case your description of that dive is vague enough to where I can't make any sort of judgement at all. 7 stages? Like bottom stages? Or deco bottles? Some
Combo of those? Pls elaborate.

When it comes to bailout planning, ask yourself this: if my rebreather broke and I looked around and my buddy was nowhere to be found, could I finish the dive?

If no, you need to reevaluateyour situation.