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Matt

I'm happy your staying shallow. Are you bringing a pony since since your solo?

Stay off the coral. Your touching scraping etc kills it it will take years to grow back. In land terms that's like a deer hunter burning down the forest and then asking where all the dear went, the fish you want to eat rely on coral to live, destroy there environment and no more fish.
 
@formernuke a good point- in fact as yr deerhunter analogy goes, encouraging nesting birds near coral reefs can boost growth , as the first thing a bird does as it takes off is take a shijt, the nitrates of which have been shown to improve coral activity. So our Matt here , loving his fish hunting would do well to actively assist that coral reef with an Avian program nearby . Contacting his local bird society will be a start. K
 
@formernuke a good point- in fact as yr deerhunter analogy goes, encouraging nesting birds near coral reefs can boost growth , as the first thing a bird does as it takes off is take a shijt, the nitrates of which have been shown to improve coral activity. So our Matt here , loving his fish hunting would do well to actively assist that coral reef with an Avian program nearby . Contacting his local bird society will be a start. K

I need to find Avian program.
 
Yes, of course I've done that. I remember in the PADI course they said to not touch the coral and I get it if you're touching it for no reason. But if you're using it as a hunting advantage to attract large fish, then it's different I think. It's not illegal and is a spearfishing method, so it's different from the average scuba diver. Actually, some other research I've done related to the spoon method is not only to use it to attract from the light but to scrape off coral as well. If you disagree why this shouldn't be done I would love to hear why.

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With some research, you’ll see why no diver should ever intentionally touch or destroy coral (and do their very best not to do it unintentionally).

To be honest, what you describe spearfishers doing to corals to attract fish is a bit disturbing.

Coral reefs grow VERY slowly and the damage one does can take years or decades or longer to recover - if they ever do. There is some good information here:

NOAA National Ocean Service Education: Corals
 
Lets try this again.

@Matt Spear I believe you and your fellow spearos are a bit out of date.

I respectfully suggest to the mods of this thread that the spearfishing technique discussion be split into another thread, possibly in the Underwater Hunting forum, where other spearos that he might better relate to would be more likely to participate. I do think it is a topic worth exploring, especially if this type of spearfishing behavior is as wide spread as the poster seems to believe.

@CuzzA @MAKO Spearguns others?
 
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If the spearfishing posts spark a discussion on preserving coral, well that's good.
 
The guy who told you to scrape coral is an idiot. Whether scuba or apnea, no diver should be destroying the reef. Fortunately I don't see this too often among spearfishermen. Nevertheless, those that do beat the shít out of their spots until everything is dead, then wonder why there's no fish or regulators want to ban spearfishing are their own worst enemy. A responsible hunter practices conservation. Whether aquatic or terrestrial. You kill the coral, the small life dies. The small life is what the fish eat. No more food for fish, no more fish for you. The most common and correct way to attract fish to you is to use flashers or toss sand up in the water column. I do neither and flashers are more common for blue water pelagic hunting.

Breath hold spearfishermen will often hug the reef, but they shouldn't destroy it. Frankly, I think it makes little difference for most species. Scuba spearfishermen aren't sneaking up on fish, you're loud blowing bubbles, yet they can still keep up with apnea spearfishermen for the most part. Still, the best technique is to not be at the same depth as the fish. For reef fish you want to be around 5m/15ft. above the fish. Fish use their lateral line to help judge size, distance and threat level. This is why they turn broad side to divers. If you're shooting fish at the same level they are going to detect you much faster, also the shaft will often go straight through the fish. This is undesirable whether lineshafting or freeshafting. Freeshafting you will lose the fish if you did not stone it and with lineshafting it will end up on your line. Now you're wasting time trying to secure the fish off your line and making a bunch of commotion scaring away other fish and attracting sharks. Not to mention your shaft and line is laying flat on the reef raking all the coral. Lateral shots will work on bigger fish as there's more meat and bone to stop the shaft, but for smaller fish you're just going to create problems for yourself.

If you're shooting down on the fish it will still give you it's broad side, but you can put the correct angle shot on the fish and the shaft will stop on the hard bottom or sand and do far less damage to the reef. It also prevents the fish from ending up on your line and with that correct angle, about 45°, it will pin the fish or force it to swim down where it cannot get off the shaft due to the flopper, allowing you to quickly secure it without ever having to touch the reef.

Here's a pretty good example from a video last year of a mix of both good and bad. Shots that were taken lateral turned in to more work. I nearly lost one fish off the end of the shaft and you'll note when my buddy shot at the one fish near the end, the shaft went straight through it. Fortunately I was there to finish the job. While these videos make it appear we're on the bottom, we're not. We're either in trim or slightly inverted.

You should be leaving your spots the way you found them.


Watch how a pro does it. When you're good you can get away with lateral freeshaft shots.

 
Matt

I'm happy your staying shallow. Are you bringing a pony since since your solo?

Stay off the coral. Your touching scraping etc kills it it will take years to grow back. In land terms that's like a deer hunter burning down the forest and then asking where all the dear went, the fish you want to eat rely on coral to live, destroy there environment and no more fish.
One of the first things I asked the instructor is if you should take a pony bottle with you. She said it's a "cop-out". It does seem un-necessary unless you're going to 120' or more.
 
You need a better instructor, anytime you are diving solo you need redundant air supply.
 
Not sure why it's a cop out?

A truly redundant air supply could be the difference between a drama and a non event - I know which I'd rather have.

However, discussion of ponies is getting far beyond what the OP is trained for and invites discussion of gas planning and deco and all that other good stuff which I'm not sure is a good idea at this point.
 
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