Long-hose in the time of COVID-19

[Umuntu]

I don't know of any "documentation" but it's pretty well known an OOG diver very commonly goes for the reg they see in your mouth. Even if you have a perfectly good one held out towards them for donation. I was taught in all of my technical classes (when we discussed OOG long hose donation) to be sure to gain control of the person as best as you can and to be very cautious of the regulator in your mouth since they may try to rip it away from you. It's definitely not hearsay.

again just anecdotal hearsay ...

Every time I hear this "well known" cr@p I just roll my eyes.

 

[rddvet]

The only research of actual incidents that I have seen is that most divers revert to their training. The research has an analysis of types of reactions by percentage. Most divers are trained on secondary donate, and this is what most ooa divers in the research did.

I think if you talk to those that have dealt with it, it may be different. I had a couple jump off a boat with the woman's valve off. She panicked at 30 ft. I was closest. I grabbed her because she was about to bolt to the surface. I did not donate a reg because I was busy keeping her at depth and fighting her from grabbing at my face for a reg. I grabbed her husband and put them face to face as he started reaching to donate his octo. She kept grabbing for the reg in his mouth. It was very difficult to fend her off.
Of course my experience is only one so doesn't mean much. If you talk to someone like Edd Sorrenson who's famous for saving so many people from diving in caves, he will tell you a few truths he's learned through all of them. One of them is you need to protect your reg in your mouth because that's what they're going to claw for.

 

[NAM001]

again just anecdotal hearsay ...

Every time I hear this "well known" cr@p I just roll my eyes.

you just blew you credibilty with the crap comment. reality and theory often do not make good bed fellows. I actually cant remember ever having someone reach for the backup reg. and yes it is taught many times that way because of those that use air2's. As you will probably agree we are all entitled to our opinions.

 

[rddvet]

again just anecdotal hearsay ...

Every time I hear this "well known" cr@p I just roll my eyes.

I don't really care if you believe it or not. My knowledge base comes from well-respected instructors that have had personal experiences as well as my own experience. Do what you choose. I sure hope if you ever have to deal with a true OOG situation the person calmly takes the reg you're donating and doesn't try to tear your eyes out for the reg in your mouth. There is nobody doing studies to show how people react in these situations. It's all going to be anecdotal evidence. It's up to you to decide what you want to believe.

 

[rddvet]

you just blew you credibilty with the crap comment.

Agreed

 

[Umuntu]

I grabbed her because she was about to bolt to the surface. I did not donate a reg because I was busy keeping her at depth and fighting her from grabbing at my face for a reg.

She was effectively "freediving" so no harm in bolting back to the surface. I don't understand why you would not donate a regulator and hold her down. Maybe she thought you were trying to drown her. I would.

If you talk to someone like Edd Sorrenson who's famous for saving so many people from diving in caves, he will tell you a few truths he's learned through all of them. One of them is you need to protect your reg in your mouth because that's what they're going to claw for.

US cave divers are taught to take the primary ? Divers revert to their training.

 

[Edward3c]

I think if you talk to those that have dealt with it, it may be different. I had a couple jump off a boat with the woman's valve off. She panicked at 30 ft. I was closest. I grabbed her because she was about to bolt to the surface. I did not donate a reg because I was busy keeping her at depth and fighting her from grabbing at my face for a reg. I grabbed her husband and put them face to face as he started reaching to donate his octo. She kept grabbing for the reg in his mouth. It was very difficult to fend her off.

There is no way I would stop someone from going for the surface if they don't have a working reg in their mouth. I've slowed a few down with free-flows or buoyancy issues, so we did around 15-20m/min.

Of course my experience is only one so doesn't mean much. If you talk to someone like Edd Sorrenson who's famous for saving so many people from diving in caves, he will tell you a few truths he's learned through all of them. One of them is you need to protect your reg in your mouth because that's what they're going to claw for.

This is a flawed reference. A cave diver by default will be using a primary donate system. Cave divers are normally in single file because of the limited space. They also need a long hose to reach an OOG diver one body's length in front or behind them.

Its a case of using the correct configuration for the environment.

 

[tursiops]

I can only surmise that many posters here are terribly frightened of having the regulator in their mouth being taken away from them. Do they not know where their alternate is? What is the big deal?

 

[Umuntu]

you just blew you credibilty with the crap comment

Some of us are such delicate flowers ...

I'm not claiming any personal credibility on this issue. I simply point to the research.

 

[Edward3c]

I don't really care if you believe it or not. My knowledge base comes from well-respected instructors that have had personal experiences as well as my own experience. Do what you choose. I sure hope if you ever have to deal with a true OOG situation the person calmly takes the reg you're donating and doesn't try to tear your eyes out for the reg in your mouth. There is nobody doing studies to show how people react in these situations. It's all going to be anecdotal evidence. It's up to you to decide what you want to believe.

The British HSE (Health & Safety Executive) undertook a study on initial responses to an OOG situation. There finding was divers (>90%) do what they were drained. One of the reasons BSAC banned the ‘hog-loop’ configuration, though the main reason was it didn’t fit the secondary donate/take OOG stipulated in the training syllabus.