Is it possible to travel responsibly (during a pandemic)?

[tursiops]

@tursiops If you quoted the word "hopefully" as well, the whole message reads differently.

OK, it reads differently, but it begs the same question: is this hope based on anything factual?

 

[Joneill]

OK, it reads differently, but it begs the same question: is this hope based on anything factual?

I'd guess it's the fact that, for otherwise healthy people with no underlying health issues, this virus is typically not deadly. Obviously, there are exceptions, but I'd guess that was all that was likely intended.

 

[tursiops]

I'd guess it's the fact that, for otherwise healthy people with no underlying health issues, this virus is typically not deadly. Obviously, there are exceptions, but I'd guess that was all that was likely intended.

Possibly, but that is the exactly the problem. There are too many folks that seem to assume that because THEY are protected, it must mean they can't infect anyone else. This has not yet been shown to be true. So, yes, it may not be deadly to THEM, but if they are infected and contagious it is still possibly deadly to those they come into contact with....nothing has yet changed except that people are beginning to ignore the facts and recommendations even more than they were before.

 

[KenGordon]

The first suggestion is a bit over the top.... and the second option is still blaming these travellers.
Let's look at in a more positive way: hopefully they're healthy people with a healthy immune system that will get rid of the virus before they transfer it.

Three got on a plane to Scotland after getting off the one from Zurich, two others have probably got a train to Bristol, and another is missing. The chances are they will have passed it on. We do have a decent system for identifying different variants in the wild so if that has happened it will be detected. The government meanwhile is trying to divert attention from not enforcing quarantine controls for 44 days after this variant was identified and having such a rubbish tracing system that they can completely lose a positive case. That case was detected by a test done at home.

 

[KenGordon]

ONS seeing old people taking extra risks (mostly for the rest of us) following vaccination

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/04/about-40-of-over-80s-in-england-broke-covid-rules-after-jab-study

 

[Hoag]

I'd guess it's the fact that, for otherwise healthy people with no underlying health issues, this virus is typically not deadly. Obviously, there are exceptions, but I'd guess that was all that was likely intended.

To say "for otherwise healthy people with no underlying health issues, this virus is typically not deadly" is at best a misleading comparison, but is what I believe to be a false dichotomy. It ignores those that survive, but may have long term residual effects.

Many "otherwise healthy people with no underlying health issues" also survived Polio in the early to mid 1900s but they spent the rest of their lives on crutches, in a wheel chair or in some cases confined to an iron lung. True, for them Polio was not fatal, but their lives were changed forever, and not for the better.

As of now, we don't have enough data to definitively know what the long term effects of COVID 19 will be on those who survive it. Yes, if you are young and healthy, you will probably survive it, but that does not necesarrily mean that your life will not change.

 

[Joneill]

To say "for otherwise healthy people with no underlying health issues, this virus is typically not deadly" is at best a misleading comparison, but is what I believe to be a false dichotomy. It ignores those that survive, but may have long term residual effects.

Many "otherwise healthy people with no underlying health issues" also survived Polio in the early to mid 1900s but they spent the rest of their lives on crutches, in a wheel chair or in some cases confined to an iron lung. True, for them Polio was not fatal, but their lives were changed forever, and not for the better.

As of now, we don't have enough data to definitively know what the long term effects of COVID 19 will be on those who survive it. Yes, if you are young and healthy, you will probably survive it, but that does not necesarrily mean that your life will not change.

Geez - I said “typically” and “there are exceptions”... and I stand by my statement as I was talking about death - not long term effects. You are also highlighting this outside of the context of the comment I was responding too.

I’d say your comparison to polio is a bit excessive as well as I have not read of anything remotely approaching the long term effects of that disease for COVID survivors - certainly not for any significant % of those infected. And again, of course there are exceptions!

 

[100days-a-year]

People tend to worry or pretend to worry about long term effects that are in alignment with their worldviews.
What are the long term financial implications of shutdowns on third world countries that rely on money from first world countries that has dried up?
What are the long term effects of the vaccines?
What are the long term effects of shutdowns on mental health and addictions?
What are the effects of travel bans on human rights organizations ability to monitor abuses?
Jumping on the moral high ground has become an almost Olympic sport during covid for people on both sides and it seems like no one takes even the slightest interest in examining all the potential for harm for any action they personally take only those of others.

 

[uncfnp]

It is starting...

Coronavirus digest: China issues vaccine passport | DW | 09.03.2021

Vaccine passports? Airline industry asks U.S. to develop credentials for travelers

 

[Pressurehead]

It is a sad fact some unscrupulous people will forge, make a counterfeit of said " passport".