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I'm really not getting the point here. Like... so what? In any class, you'll always have those who get it better than the others and experience is normally a big factor. It's been my experience that every skill level benefits from no-knee teaching. In fact, those with little to no watermanship skills from a no-kneel class often outperform those with great watermanship skills who learned on their knees. Moreover, they look better in the water and are more comfortable than many seasoned divers.I can't believe that teaching the course NB is going to mean the water experienced person and one without (or is scared OF the water) are somehow going to do equally well-- just because it's being taught NB.
Ray saw and Ray did. With no training, he figured it out because he was never on his knees.it never occurred to us that we would do anything other than what I later learned was called neutral and trim.
If you learn to do something on your knees, the tendency is to return to that position when you want to do it again. Once a bad habit is acquired, it becomes harder and harder to eradicate it. This is why many students need to do a Buoyancy class of some sort. Even then, many of them begin with overweighting the student and doing fin pivots. Train them the way you want them to dive.It has become apparent to me that the terrible habits I see employed by some divers are taught to them.
Agree with all here. My point on all the NB discussions has been that it's not gunna matter so much for a person with a lot of experience in water whether they are taught NB or kneeling, though of course I can see how NB is better. Perhaps we disagree on that point. I was taught kneeling and quickly got my buoyancy pretty close to what it was when I was divemastering. That took maybe 5+ dives, not 100 as you say those instructors told students. Of course you can't be grossly overweight because your instructor did that to anchor you in the pool, then not do a weight check because you didn't realize you were overweight--- yes, it may well take you 100 dives to sort it out. That is where having water experience gives you the upper hand.I'm really not getting the point here. Like... so what? In any class, you'll always have those who get it better than the others and experience is normally a big factor. It's been my experience that every skill level benefits from no-knee teaching. In fact, those with little to no watermanship skills from a no-kneel class often outperform those with great watermanship skills who learned on their knees. Moreover, they look better in the water and are more comfortable than many seasoned divers.
Why? Many divers are never taught the simple secrets to be in control underwater. Until it's pointed out to them, they never get the connection between being trim and great buoyancy control. Students who are in control are far calmer and don't feel that Scuba is out to kill them. Ergo, they learn faster and their control increases dramatically because Scuba is far more fun for them. Many students that learned on their knees are told the lie that it will take at least a hundred dives to master their buoyancy.
Yet, it doesn't have to. It never has to. I don't think you understand what I'm saying and I guess some never will.yes, it may well take you 100 dives to sort it out.
Perhaps I don't. But once again, we seem to agree. It shouldn't take anyone 100 dives to sort out good buoyancy-- whether they learned on knees or NB. But, if your total water experience before OW course was lying on a raft in a motel pool, AND you were overweighted and taught on your knees, perhaps it would take quite a number of dives to sort it all out.Yet, it doesn't have to. It never has to. I don't think you understand what I'm saying and I guess some never will.
Does it matter? No.question does the type of BC matter ? is it just as easy to teach / accomplish trim with a back inflate as a SP stabilizer vest?