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PADI Self Reliant vs SDI Solo

Discussion in 'Solo Divers' started by Pyramid65, May 25, 2015.

  1. stuartv

    stuartv Seeking the Light

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    The shop that controls the quarry offers SDI and PADI training, so I think they know what the course descriptions say. The shop owners are both SDI and PADI instructors.
     
  2. Spinal33

    Spinal33 Divemaster Candidate

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    Having done my DM and AI at one of those quarries mentioned prior, it was a question every PADI self reliant diver asked... the other question/complaint I used to field was the "why do I need to tell you my dive plan" (usually AFTER someone had completed a solo dive and got called on it).

    The answer is simple - it's an insurance issue. The sites insurance company does not accept the PADI cert, but accepts the SDI one. If an incident occurs, the site needs to be covered, simple as.

    More info here:
    Important Info for Solo Divers
     
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  3. markmud

    markmud Self Reliant Diver--On All Dives. ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Hi Spinal33,

    Now that is a logical answer on the part of the quarry! Not a logical policy from the insurance company.

    markm
     
  4. Wookie

    Wookie Secret Field Agent ScubaBoard Business Sponsor

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    So look in the mind of the insurance company who is paying the lawyer to convince 12 peers who know nothing about diving that diving, long recognized as a team or buddy sport, can be safely done solo with proper training and equipment. That's why some operators, including me, require a card.
     
  5. markmud

    markmud Self Reliant Diver--On All Dives. ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Hi Wookie,

    Yeah, in general I agree with you.

    But why would the jury accept the SDI Solo cert and not the PADI Solo cert (S/R). Padi's course description and curriculum are very nearly the same, except for the word solo. There are multiple synonyms that describe "solo" in PADI's description and curriculum. It is a "solo" diver cert.

    You requiring a c-card that proves some form of training to protect your net profit is smart business. Financial and criminal exposure bad--net profit good.

    Thanks,
    markm
     
    Last edited: Nov 3, 2017
  6. Morrisman

    Morrisman Garibaldi

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    Whatever course you take, I think the intention is to be self-reliant and be able to provide yourself everything a dive buddy would provide. To start, 2 separate air systems, 2 buoyancy systems, 2 cutting tools, 2 masks, 2 computers. Lots of practice.
     
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  7. markmud

    markmud Self Reliant Diver--On All Dives. ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Hi Morrisman,

    I agree with you totally.

    I am a better diver because of Self Reliant course.

    It is too bad that S/R is stigmatized by false assertions.

    markm
     
  8. stuartv

    stuartv Seeking the Light

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    The actual course standards for SDI Solo say this:

    I'm curious what the PADI Self Reliant standards say (not what the web page about the course says).

    SDI explicitly says the diver can dive solo. If PADI is a little more conservative and says something like "graduates are prepared to complete a dive alone" that may be all the subtle distinction the lawyers care about. PADI says (for example), if your buddy disappears, this course prepares you to safely finish the dive by yourself. That doesn't mean they are saying you are qualified to START and finish a dive alone. SDI is clearly saying you are qualified to start and end a dive alone.

    Regardless of the actual course content, I suspect what the lawyers look at only comes down to what the agency specifically says you are qualified to do upon successful completion of the course. The lawyers are going to rely on the "experts" (i.e. the training agencies) to specify exactly what the diver is certified or qualified to do. The course content is, I think, pretty much irrelevant.

    What assertions have been made that are false?
     
  9. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    The PADI materials do not use "solo" but rather "diving alone" or "diving without a buddy."

    It is a better course than SDI Solo in two ways: 3 dives are required (instead of just 2 in SDI), and the redundant air source cannot be a Spare-Air.
     
  10. scubadada

    scubadada Diver Staff Member ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I've always thought it bizarre that SDI decided to accept a Spare Air as an acceptable redundant gas supply. I could do a direct ascent to the surface from 90 ft, at 30 ft/min, at twice my usual RMV, that's it. I guess I could carry a half dozen of them instead of my 19 cf pony :)
     
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