Personal Trainers - What are they worth?

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OK.. I have never worked with a personal trainer (have dealt with a few in the gym, but I do not feel these are in the "professional" category)... I have a recommendation of someone to work with. I was told he was "expensive".. but worth it..

Without having any prior knowledge on this subject... looking for some advice.

1. What are the "duties" that one expects from a personal trainer?
2. What is the frequency that you meet / set goals, and review progress?
3. What are the questions (items to look for) with regards to selecting a personal trainer? (Certifications, qualifications, etc.)
4. What is the market value?
5. When is it a good time to start working with someone one-on-one? (Beginning? When you hit a plateau? Anytime? Once a month review?)

I am not looking for the cheapest (we all know what a $99.00 OW class gets you):D

I am looking to see what peoples expectations are (were) and how they faired with those they have worked with.

As always, thank-you in advance.
 
Im not a personal trainer , But I have done a few bodybuilding diets....I have a few good freinds that are personal trainers who helped with my diet and training programs..
They usually will evauate you first to see what level you are .Then they will set goals and in all the most important thing see "IF YOU HAVE DEDICATION AND GOOD WORK ETHIC"
I think the best trainers are ones who have competed in some type of athletic competition themselves....That way not only have they done the book work but they have also practiced what they preach and know what to expect...So ask them if they are certified and if they have participated in any type of athletic competition..
The price really depends on your area...Im sure its higher in SoCal than it is in Alabama..But do not go for the cheapest for sure unless they have a good rep..
I would as also use one right from the start if possible ..Personal trainers are great because they can determine your limits and push you to them for the best results...

Good luck and dont stop training if you do not get immediate results....
 
Rates vary wildly from market to market. In Raleigh, an average in-gym appointment will go for about $40/hr, in-home average is $60/hr. We charge more than that, but I pay my trainers more than anyone in town and have "bought" the best team. Anyone who gets you to move more will improve your fitness, but better trainers will make it more interesting, safer, and more efficient.

Three questions you should ask any trainer:
1. Who is your certification from and what is your cert number?
Call their agency and confirm that their certification is up-to-date. Many trainers get certified once and don't bother with continuing ed, etc., though there are many cert agencies that don't even require this.
2. Do you have professional liability insurance, from whom and what is your policy number?
Heaven forbid you actually use this, but a trainer without professional liability insurance is not taking his job very seriously. Call and check to make sure their policy is still current.
3. Is your CPR current?
Again, this really is just a sign of the professionalism of your trainer.

Those questions will eliminate half of the trainers in my market, or more, making the decision a little easier.

In direct response to your questions:
1. Duties are founded on determining your current fitness level and helping you to define reasonable goals that fit your commitment and lifestyle. This is the most important part of the job, and it actually is an ongoing process as a trainer weeds out the difference between what a client says they'll do and what they actually do on their own. From their, a trainer is a coach- they don't do the work for you, but they direct your efforts. They should not only design the program you do together, but also what you do on your own.
2. This is entirely dependent upon your current knowledge and motivation. Most of our clients see us 2-3 times per week, with some coming only once per week to get an intense workout and go through their "homework" for the week. We also have clients that train with us 5 days per week simply because they know they need an appointment to get the job done. We like these people. <g>
3. See above.
4. See above, but just call around. You'll get an idea with just a few discussions with other training companies.
5. People can benefit from a good trainer no matter what their fitness level. A common goal would be to perform exercises with the safest, most effective technique, avoid routines so you avoid plateaus, and get the added intensity of having a trainer push you beyond what you would do on your own.

Check out our website at http://formfitness.com to learn a bit more about what we think personal training is about.

Cameron
 
The value of personal trainers is that they keep you focussed and on a steady and progressive program that is targeted for you and your goals.

If you know the diet and exercise basics, have discipline and access to the equipment then they are just expensive friends.

'Slogger
 
countryboy,

A good trainer will make the most productive use of your available time. In this area, $40 to $50 per hour is standard.

In past years, I'd purchase a 4 to 6 session package from a good trainer, just to shake up my routine and add new exercises. Once a year, usually in winter, when motivation tends to lag.

My wife is a trainer now, and gives me all the "training" I need.
 
A personal trainer is good to show you an exercise routine and diet when you are a beginner. They are also great motivation to get you to stick with it. I had a 6 session package that equaled out to about $65 per hour visit. It was well worth it having someone show me the correct way to do the exercises and use the equipment.
 
My son (12) has been taking the bus after school and working with a trainer for three days a week. The trainer really was able to get through to him about nutrition, where I could not. He was always asking to go to mcDonalds, and it killed me because we have never gone there. I made him go see "Supersize Me" documentary with me.... finally the trainer made him want to eat healthy.

He works out almost everyday which makes me happy. If you don't establish these habits when they are kids as part of a lifestyle, I think it is much harder. His trainer really impressed him with the desire to be healthy. I am very upset with the schools and the coupons from McDonald's for reading, etc. They really work against me.
 
countryboy:
I was told he was "expensive".. but worth it.
A lot of times, price and worth are not correlated, though they're a good indicator. For instance, one of the worst trainers I've ever met (as far knowledge, ethics, and reliability) is a trainer "to the stars", charging astronomical rates. This person just happened to have the right connections. I also know of another trainer who also happens to train stars, but this one is quite different. His level of knowledge and his reasoning to apply it are excellent, and he is always pursuing more and more quality education. His high rates are well justified. Cameron has covered A LOT of excellent points, so I hope my contribution will help guide your decisions as far as hiring one:


1. What are the "duties" that one expects from a personal trainer?
Personal trainers are in the service business and as such, they must treat you with the utmost respect.
Your trainer should treat you like a first date, that is, always trying to impress you. That means be punctual, return your calls promptly, be well groomed, and be courteous. If your trainer shows up hung-over, or stands you up, or shows up late all the time, fire them on the spot.

Your trainer should perform an evaluation and assesment, not only to determine conditions and parameters, but also to go over your goals, expectations, and concerns.

Assesments provide with baselines that can be used in the future for comparison. Goals and programs can be derived from them.

Your trainer must ALWAYS have a program ready for you if you train more than 2x per week. The program must be custom designed for your own needs, and in this area that most trainers fall short, usually "winging" it or using cookie-cutter approaches. If your trainer shows up empty handed all the time, ask him/her to see the program he/she put for you. It must be produced on the spot. If it isn't, demand your money back. They have not been giving you the best service. A good program is your plan to success and any trainer who fails to plan, is somebody planning to fail.

Your personal trainer will motivate you and help you keep track of your goals without belittling you or using derogative remarks. Actually some people dig that kind of treatment, but that only happens after the trainer and his client have cultivated a long term relationship, but if there's name calling from the very first day, move on.


2. What is the frequency that you meet / set goals, and review progress?
Ideally, you want to meet your trainer 3x per week, with the very minimum being twice per week. Once per week clients are usually advanced and require a little adjustment of technique here and there. Beginners and intermediates usually benefit from constant supervision.

The average macrocycle of a periodized program lasts from 6-8 weeks after which you should be reassesed. The reassesment does not need to cover ALL aspects, but merely those that are affected by the length of your training. After two macrocyless (12 to 16 weeks) a full re-assesment should be done. Of course, your goals will be adjusted based on your progress. Keep in mind that programs are more of intelligent guidelines as opposed to laws written in stone, so they can be modified if the need arises. For instance, if you make fast progress and there are no complications, then you may move on to more challenging routines.


3. What are the questions (items to look for) with regards to selecting a personal trainer? (Certifications, qualifications, etc.)
This is my criteria as far as selecting trainers. I use this when trainers request referrals:

1.- Education. The most important aspect. I prefer trainers with a degree in Exercise Science, Physical Education, Kinesiology, or Athletic Training. I've also met a few trainers that even without a degree are highly qualified to train people with knowledge and safety. They hold high quality certifications from accredited institutions that in my opinion are some of the most valuable. They include the CSCS from the NSCA, the PES from the NASM (the former child of Tom Purvis), The RTS in all levels including MAT (the current kids of Tom Purvis), and the MES (medical exercise specialist).

2.- Experience, second after education. A trainer with poor education and lots of experience is worthless to me. 20 years of poor experience do not equate to 1 year of good training. The more educated trainers with the most experience are usually a safe bet, though they command higher rates.

3.- Professionalism. Include timeliness, organizational skills, personal presentation, and attitude. Mostly common sense stuff.

4.- Remember the questions that I posted in the "Heart Rate" thread? Those are just some of the many questions that I use to separate the wheat from the chaff. They require problem solving skills and logical thinking, all key points for good program design. Those who posses those useful skills can answer those questions promptly and without hesitation. Those who simple memorize info and spit it back, spend countless minutes going over irrelevant stuff (also known as BS) and never answering the questions. If you want info that hints a trainer whose education is outdated or lacking, here are some bits that can help:

  • Anybody who believes that soreness is caused by lactic acid
  • Anybody who preaches "fat burning" cardio
  • Anybody who preaches "cardio" and resistance training as two complete an opposite entities.
  • Anybody who preaches static stretching PRIOR to your workouts (after the workouts is fine)
  • Anybody who still insists in working by body parts. Sometimes your trainer will referr to the movement in terms of parts to make things simpler, but if he has you performing flat bench, incline bench, decline bench, and Dumbbell fly IN THE SAME workout, he needs some serious revamping in his program designing skills, or a better education in Kinesiology.
  • Anybody who relies EXCLUSIVELY in certain modalities to train everyone no matter what their goals. The most common being the "Superslow" camp and the "HIT" camp (the one endorsed by Arthur Jones, the Mentzers, Matt Brcizsky). While they all have a level of application in every program, training exclusively on them is unproductive.
4. What is the market value?
It depends on the area, and the demographics. The more competition, the better and the more reasonable the rates will be, though the price for the better trainers will in general be higher.

5. When is it a good time to start working with someone one-on-one? (Beginning? When you hit a plateau? Anytime? Once a month review?)
Anytime is good, but preferably when you're a beginner. A good trainer will guide you in the right path and prevent you from developing bad habits. Intermediate and advanced people benefit from breaking plateus and refining technique.


I am not looking for the cheapest (we all know what a $99.00 OW class gets you):D

I am looking to see what peoples expectations are (were) and how they faired with those they have worked with.

As always, thank-you in advance.
I'm a big believer that we can all benefit from a good trainer. I would not call mine trainers per se, but rather, I would refer to them as coaches, and I do have several depending on the skills that I want to work on. All of them have a lot more valuable experience than I do (up to the Olympic level) and I always learn something from them, so my experience has been well worth it.

Of course, you will also hear from the bad apples, and perhaps with a lot more frequency than the good ones, but that's human nature. The more answers you collect, the broader the picture will be.

Best of luck to you! Stay positive and plese let us know how it goes! Take care.
 
Have to ask!! what is the deal with static stretching prior to exercise?? VS after??

this question not worthy of new thread, but I gots to know. If I am doing treadmill (incline) interval, and weights (parabody) and yoga, what should the sequence be?
 
catherine96821:
Have to ask!! what is the deal with static stretching prior to exercise?? VS after??

this question not worthy of new thread, but I gots to know. If I am doing treadmill (incline) interval, and weights (parabody) and yoga, what should the sequence be?


How is it going Catherine? In answer to your question, there's now ample evidence showing that repeated static stretching PRIOR to activity has a weakening effect. The main cause appears to be the slack generated in the tendon-muscle relation and the interference it produces in the contraction process. Several tests have shown a significant decrease in the force output and a remarkable decrease in strength endurance. Interestingly, several studies showed an increase in the number of injuries resulting after repeated static stretching PRIOR to activity, which ironically, it's what is supposed to prevent.

The good news is that the effect goes away about an hour after the stretch is completed.

In your case, I would do the weights first. If I could take a break after for a snack or a good meal I would do so.

I would do the interval training later. Yoga would be the last. Now I'm assuming you do all of them in the same day, one very close to the next. You could also break them out per day, in which case you could add some nice variations, provided that there's plenty of rest and nutrition between sessions.

Day 1 Weights & Intervals (1 combined session or morning & afternoon session)
Day 2 Yoga (one session, anytime)
Day 3 Intervals (morning) Weights & Yoga (afternoon, early eve)
Day 4 Chill
Day 5 Intervals & Weights (1 combined session or morning & afternoon session)
Day 6 Yoga (one session, anytime)
Day 7 chill

You could change the order from week to week for variety. As you increase the intensity of your intervals, you'll need to split the weights and intervals into two separate sessions with plenty of time for recovery. If you can't, keep your resistance training a little shorter, until the intervals decrease in intensity again. Hope this helps.
 
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