Which PADI specialties are useful and which ones are "underwater basket weaving"?

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im just cracking the surface on diving but I have felt that the instructor makes all the difference on a class. Yes some classes seems silly to me.. aka Boat diver and altitude. But If your new to diving its an opportunity for a "hopefully" experienced diver to critique you on situations that you might otherwise miss if you dove with another rookie.

Question... with computers as the rule what the benefit of the "multi level" class. I mean yes you should now how to make a multilevel dive but I feel that should be taught in OW. Who the hell dives to one depth the whole time?
 
Who the hell dives to one depth the whole time?

Me, most of my dives, and lots of others who dive our "piles of metal" busted wrecks off NS. Just sayin'.
 
Me, most of my dives, and lots of others who dive our "piles of metal" busted wrecks off NS. Just sayin'.

but... but... Damnt I hate when Im trumped... Ok you you got me but still.
 
+1 on the intrinsic link between course value and instructor knowledge/motivation/teaching skill. That's the crux factor that determines whether any course is enjoyable and beneficial for the diver. Underwater basket weaving is a laughable example, but in all honesty, a great instructor is still going to make that into a great course...and vice versa.

Every scuba course should develop core diving skills - buoyancy, gas management, equipment familiarisation, self-sufficiency and risk awareness.
Every scuba course should be flexible enough to identify and address specific diver needs and rectify skill deficits.
Every scuba course should improve overall situational awareness, multi-tasking, stress management and increase a divers' comfort zone.

I believe that there are three different forms of course; those that address core scuba development, specific scuba development and those that satisfy specialist diver interests. Sometimes those goals/benefits will overlap - especially when a good instructor is teaching.

Here's how I break down the course types;

1) General core development courses; PPB, Navigation, Deep, S&R, Night, ML

These courses contribute directly towards your overall scuba diving competency. They develop, extend and refine core scuba skills taught at OW level for the purposes of increasing safety, confidence and competence for general scuba diving activities. They don't provide specific 'new' specialist skills, but rather develop existing skills and knowledge on core issues to a higher level.

It could be easy to assess these as 'valueless' depending upon your own self-assessment of your skills/level. If a diver has a high value on their own core skills, then they may perceive they have little to gain from this form of training. However, to do so implies that the diver also feels that they have reached some form of 'skill pinnacle' and consequently, doesn't feel that further personal development is possible. Any truly experienced diver will know that this 'skill pinnacle' never exists - it's just a matter of perspective and which peer group your judge yourself against. Any diver who feels they cannot develop more has obviously 'outgrown' the pond they currently swim in.

The key to value in a general core development course is to find an instructor with the background, experience and capability to take you beyond your current level. In short - find someone who 'swims in a bigger pond' than yourself. This is the process of transitioning into being a smaller fish in a bigger pond.

Note: The benefits of this are dependant on the instructor having the background/skills/knowledge to take you to a higher level - many don't. The 'average' Open Water scuba instructor spends most of their time teaching basic OW diving and, thus is an expert within a very confined skill-set..."a big fish in a small pond".


2) Regional/Environmentally specific skill development courses; Drysuit, Ice, Altitude, Cavern, Wreck, Drift

These courses teach 'core skills' that have specific relevance to certain diving environments. They aren't globally relevant, but are critical for specific regional and/or activity based diving habits. The courses should always be taken in the same environment/location as they will be used in. They should also be taken with instructors who have amassed a great amount of experience in that specific environment/location and, therefore, developed a very high standard of appropriate skill and knowledge that is specifically applicable to the course and the divers' needs.

These courses are necessary because the 'mainstream' recreational diving courses (OW-AOW-RESCUE) are globally relevant and do not include specific skills and knowledge at a regional level. Whilst any diver can attain regional knowledge through safe, progressive application of 'mainstream' training within a given environment - there is always a logical argument that expert tuition is a foolproof 'fast track' to competence.

Note: The benefits of this are dependant on the instructor having the background/skills/knowledge in regionally/environmental specific techniques and procedures. These courses cannot be taught well as generic 'one-size-fits-all' training programmes. However, many agencies don't qualify instructors on this basis - which can lead to bland, unfulfilling courses being taught.

3) Specialist interest courses; Fish ID, Photo, Equipment, Coral Reef Conservation, Lionfish hunter, etc etc

These courses deal with specific subject matters that may be of interest to specific divers. The value in these courses is primarily dictated by the interest of the student, rather than any over-arching development as a scuba diver. Naturally, any instructor teaching these courses should be a 'subject matter expert' in the course concerned. Only then can the topic be presented with the depth, clarity and motivation that will make the training enjoyable and beneficial to the student. In addition, a 'good' instructor will also use these training courses as an opportunity to develop the overall skills and capability of the student. Most special interest dive activities demand competency in core scuba techniques and these should be appropriately addressed as part of the training.

Note: The benefits of this are dependant on two factors. First, that the student is genuinely interested and motivated in the topic. Second, that the instructor is a motivated 'subject matter expert' on the topic. If either of these criteria are lacking, then the course is likely to fail to achieve its potential. These courses are often sold as 'fillers' or provided by instructors who have no real interest in the subject. Hence, they are badly regarded by many divers and instructors alike.
 
wish my courses were taught from Devon's perspective, which i think is the correct one. They weren't bad, but seems like maybe they're geared toward the vacation diver who's just trying to get in the water without killing themselves so there's not much emphasis on long term development of some of the core skills. For instance i wouldn't say gas management, mutli-tasking, stress management were really a factor in mine.. besides the DM asking what my pressure gauge said now and then.. which i was already looking at without him asking. Deep dive we went deep.. we shined a light on the slate to see color change (wow impressive) we swam around and we came up. Wish we had focused more on the other stuff, but at least there's scubaboard! :wink:
 
im just cracking the surface on diving but I have felt that the instructor makes all the difference on a class. Yes some classes seems silly to me.. aka Boat diver and altitude. But If your new to diving its an opportunity for a "hopefully" experienced diver to critique you on situations that you might otherwise miss if you dove with another rookie.

Question... with computers as the rule what the benefit of the "multi level" class. I mean yes you should now how to make a multilevel dive but I feel that should be taught in OW. Who the hell dives to one depth the whole time?

The altitude specialty can be a very important class, especially for those diving in the 4000' + elevation range. It can make a big difference.

Multilevel, when taught from a dive planning perspective, can also be a very worthwhile class, even with dive computers. Dive computers should be a back up to the plan you have already set for the dive, not your primary means of figuring out NDL. If you're simply flying your computer to figure out your dive plan, you're taking a big risk. What happens when your computer malfunctions? Sure, the dive is over, but do you really want the rest of the dives for the trip to be over?
 
Couldn't agree more with Devon Diver. As I've said often, if you had to choose only from among these "core" courses to get Master Scuba Diver, a lot less fun would be made of this rating.
 
The altitude specialty can be a very important class, especially for those diving in the 4000' + elevation range. It can make a big difference.

Multilevel, when taught from a dive planning perspective, can also be a very worthwhile class, even with dive computers. Dive computers should be a back up to the plan you have already set for the dive, not your primary means of figuring out NDL. If you're simply flying your computer to figure out your dive plan, you're taking a big risk. What happens when your computer malfunctions? Sure, the dive is over, but do you really want the rest of the dives for the trip to be over?

I'm not saying its not important to know the aspects taught in those two classes. I'm saying they should be included in the OW. In my opinion they are core fundamentals that should be taught before you get your first card.
 
It'd be easy to define an awful lot of information as 'core fundamentals' and argue that it should be included in OW. To do so would turn the OW course into an epic and very expensive undertaking.

Most modern scuba agencies prefer running a modular program, that allows students to dictate the pace of their training and balance its costs over a longer period. As such, there are clear limits to any single course. OW teaches you enough to get in the water and enjoy safe non-challenging dives within a very prescribed series of (recommended) limitations. Does it turn you into a complete, polished scuba diver with a full range of skills for every diving eventuality and situation? No. Does it claim to? No.
 
I'm not saying its not important to know the aspects taught in those two classes. I'm saying they should be included in the OW. In my opinion they are core fundamentals that should be taught before you get your first card.

Most people would love to just pull up to a drive-thru, order their OW card, pull to the window, and pick it up. They think 4 days is a lot of time for a class. And it's difficult enough to present all the information in those 4 days.
 
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