Naui master diver vs divemaster water skills?

[Thalassamania]

Eh?? I didn't buy any of these cards. Besides which, the NAUI program involves actual training.

Sorry, I was unclear and the thread had gotten a bit muddled. I was not refering to you but to still new. As far as the requirements for the NAUI program are concerned, I expect that I'm familiar with them, after all, I designed that course and wrote the original standards for it.

 

[NudeDiver]

As far as the requirements for the NAUI program are concerned, I expect that I'm familiar with them, after all, I designed that course and wrote the original standards for it.

...which is why I was confused by your previous post in response to my response to post #2 or 3 or whatever it was.

In any event, it is clear that since it is January, the moon will not be out until the third caliber has been cleared.

 

[TCMav]

Aren't we all buying these cert cards from either agency? You are not required by law to have either of these to dive!

But when it comes down to it, I would rather dive with divers that have logged many dives in varied environments and are always looking to learn something new. A rating, whether it be from NAUI or Padi, does NOT make you a better diver. In fact, in some ways it will make you a worse diver. I have dove with NAUI divers that thought they were fish after ataining said rating. Bulletproof if you will. A quality instructor is more important than which organization you choose.

After all, if NAUI is just interested in getting people trained to the best of their ability, they would be non-profit, right? Agencies are in it for the money, one way or another. And there is nothing wrong with that.

But to demonize one agency because it's standards are higher for a certain task, is missing the point. What the military considers a Master Diver. What PADI or NAUI considers a Master Diver. Or what any agency or organization considers a Master Diver doesnt' matter, unless that certification gets you anywhere.

With a PADI or NAUI master diver rating and $4.55, will get you a venti mocha at Starbucks.

Time in the water under different conditions and environments is the only thing that can truly make you a "master diver"...

 

[Walter]

Aren't we all buying these cert cards from either agency?

No.

With NAUI's Master Diver, you buy training. If you successfully complete that training, you get a card as recognition of successful completion.

With PADI's Master Diver, you have already completed all your training and you've already received the cards which recognize that training. If you want, you can buy the MD card.

You are not required by law to have either of these to dive!

In the US, you are not required by law to have any card to dive.

 

[Gilldiver]

Why do you think anyone would care whether you respect their training? Do you think that "gaining respect from complete strangers on an Internet forum" is a primary, or even a secondary motivation for people to obtain dive training?

For all who have been commenting on what I said.

How many times have people said "Its not the class, its the instructor"?

I don't care what agency you trained with, I don't care how many cards you have. I care about what you have done, what your experience is. If you have an instructor who has a good rep or is well know, that helps a lot.

But, I have seen way to many with divers with Advanced, DM, AI, and/or Instructor cards who don't know what they are doing or are completely out of their depth (pun intended) doing some of the dives they were doing.

So, you want to come up here and jump some of the wrecks that have not been cleaned up as attractions, you better have something under your belt besides what cards you might have in your wallet.

 

[TCMav]

In the US, you are not required by law to have any card to dive.[/QUOTE]

That is my point. Training is not a requirement to dive.

 

[TCMav]

You are naive if you don't think you are buying a card with NAUI. You are paying to be trained on something that you can do yourself. It gives you no special airfill privelages. It gives you no status on a dive boat or a beach. The truth is we all pay for the right to carry one. Just with NAUI, you have to go to a class. It won't mena that you can go anywhere in the world and dive and be a Master Diver. It just means you sat in a class and did a few more dives, period.. So, you do pay.. with time and money..

No.

With NAUI's Master Diver, you buy training. If you successfully complete that training, you get a card as recognition of successful completion.

With PADI's Master Diver, you have already completed all your training and you've already received the cards which recognize that training. If you want, you can buy the MD card.

 

[Thalassamania]

The NAUI card is evidence that a NAUI instructor certifies that you have met the standards of the course, standards that were designed to assure that the diver has the diving related skills and knowledge expected of a NAUI Instructor or Dive Master.

The PADI card is evidence that you've got some assortment other cards somewhere.

One card evidences a rather high level of skill and knowledge, the other well ... let's just say it's kinda' like a vanity license plate.

 

[Steve in Seattle]

Wow... I had no idea NAUI snobs were so "forward".

PADI Master Driver Card:
1. Open Water (270+pg manual, class sessions, pool work, 4 cert dives). Req? 10 yrs old, 200yd swim, 10min treading water
2. Advanced Open Water (text book, class sessions, 6 cert dives). Req? 15 yr old, Open Water.
3. Rescue Diver (text, class sessions, 5 dives). Req? 15 yrs, Advanced Open Water, CPR&First Aid cert.
4. 5 additional Specialty courses... likely Nitrox cert, Emergency Oxygen Provider, Dry suit, Deep Diver, Wreck Diving... but there are about 16 to choose from.
5. 50 dives total.
6. Fee to verify certs and issue card.

PADI Divemaster requires all the above plus the Divemaster course, text, cert dives, and 60 total dives. PADI considers Divemaster a Professional Level course... not a Diver Level.

NAUI Master Diver Card:
1. Open Water (text, pool sessions, 5? cert dives). Req? 10 yr old, good health.
2. Advanced Open Water (text, sessions, 6 dives) Req? 12 yr old, Open Water.
3. Master Diver course (text, sessions, 8 dives) Req? 12 yrs old, Advanced Open Water.

NAUI Divemaster
NAUI requires all the above plus the Divemaster course, text, cert dives, and 60 total dives. NAUI considers Divemaster a Professional Level course... not a Diver Level. hmmm....


It seems pretty clear that gauging by the naui.org and padi.com that the quick route to someone with book smarts is to go Naui. No 50 dive minimum, no 15 yr minimum, no CPR/FirstAid req.

Why do NAUI guys seem so defensive about their Master Diver cert? hmmm...

Given that PADI is far and away the largest cert agency in the world -- something like 70% of all new divers get PADI Open Water -- how can this be such a large debate?

 

[TCMav]

That is the point exactly Steve.. If you look at what you have to do in the end, it works out to be a wash, unless you 'think' the NAUI training is tougher? You can bea Master Diver with NAUI at 12 years old?? Are you kidding me? If you get the specialties with PADI, and do 50 dives, you will be just as well off as if you did the NAUI master diver course. It comes down to the instructor and what you want to learn. You might as well frame a Master Diver card, 'cause it will do nothing for you.. my 2 cents..