I believe it's 20 dives or more to enter the program, 60 or more to finish as long as you have completed all other requirements.catherine96821:
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Don't get me going about the limited training and dives required by agencies. :jpshakehe I just do not understand this Put Another Dollar In concept. OW to DM in 60 dives is crazy. After a couple of years being a active DM one of the reasons I quit was I was tired of seeing students taking classes well before they were ready. Well thanks for letting me rant a bit.
Charles
BTW: There are a few good DM's out there that do care and know what they are doing.
Charles
BTW: There are a few good DM's out there that do care and know what they are doing.
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This is a little off subject, but I did advanced with a guy who had not done any dives past his open water check out. I complained to the instructor that was there, and he commented that he could do nothing about it, because that was up to the shop owner. The shop owner had told the instructor "he has spent a lot of money with us..." (according to the instructor). The guy had on 32 lbs of weight with a 3mm wet suit in fresh water. I don't think he was ready for anything other than diving with a dive master (a good one 
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PADI = Divemaster needs 20 dives to start, 60 to graduate, Assistant instructor needs 60 logged dives (with experience in night, deep and navigation) to start
NAUI = Assistant instructor needs 20 dives to start, divemaster needs 25 dives to start, no listed minimum to graduate
SSI (Dive Control Specialist includes assistant instructor and dive master) = 40 dives to start, 60 to graduate
YMCA (to enter phase 1 of their advanced training for leadership)= 15 logged dives
PADI seems to be fairly in line with the industry. Do you know this divemaster was trained by a PADI isntructor? The divemaster clearly did a bad job, sounds like the captain did as well - let's blame the Coast Guard, too, since they gave the Captain a liscense. To be liscensed to operate an uninspected passenger vehicle (6 pack), the captain had to meet a minimum experience requirement and pass a written test. And yet none of us would think of blaming the Coast Guard for a bad captain. As soon as someone mentions a bad divemaster...
NAUI = Assistant instructor needs 20 dives to start, divemaster needs 25 dives to start, no listed minimum to graduate
SSI (Dive Control Specialist includes assistant instructor and dive master) = 40 dives to start, 60 to graduate
YMCA (to enter phase 1 of their advanced training for leadership)= 15 logged dives
PADI seems to be fairly in line with the industry. Do you know this divemaster was trained by a PADI isntructor? The divemaster clearly did a bad job, sounds like the captain did as well - let's blame the Coast Guard, too, since they gave the Captain a liscense. To be liscensed to operate an uninspected passenger vehicle (6 pack), the captain had to meet a minimum experience requirement and pass a written test. And yet none of us would think of blaming the Coast Guard for a bad captain. As soon as someone mentions a bad divemaster...
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point taken. hey,...I thought it was fifty and that still is not enough by me...
I encounter bad DM's from time to time, and basically just try and make sure they don't hit my camera. As long as you don't let them get you lost or follow them through a bad profile...they cannot really hurt you. The main thing is to learn how to spot them and not rely on them...which is a good thing to learn. From this standpoint, they serve an important purpose.
Oh, and around here, we make fun of the Coast Guard and the stuff they do on an ongoing basis...sometimes they deserve it. More importantly, it is important to realize out there on the ocean that they probably are not going to "save you". In fact...we prefer to call the fire department believe it or not.
being a PADI DM myself, I guess makes me a bit more liberal with the criticism.
I encounter bad DM's from time to time, and basically just try and make sure they don't hit my camera. As long as you don't let them get you lost or follow them through a bad profile...they cannot really hurt you. The main thing is to learn how to spot them and not rely on them...which is a good thing to learn. From this standpoint, they serve an important purpose.
Oh, and around here, we make fun of the Coast Guard and the stuff they do on an ongoing basis...sometimes they deserve it. More importantly, it is important to realize out there on the ocean that they probably are not going to "save you". In fact...we prefer to call the fire department believe it or not.
being a PADI DM myself, I guess makes me a bit more liberal with the criticism.
LOL, you haven't seen the DSAT TecRec video's yet I assume.......roflmao.
Disgusting display of complete incompetence at any level.
What would make anyone think a Padi DM has any inwater skills whatsoever? It's never tested.
I currently have an AOW student who had no dives past OW certification. We're looking at about 10 more dives at least before we get even close to venturing beyond 40ft.
The way I see it, I'd rather do a ton of dives with him during his AOW course than leave it to someone else who may not give a crap and send him off after 5 dives to go and kill himself. Yes I realize that this is going to cost me more than what I'll get paid,.........again.
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Disgusting display of complete incompetence at any level.
What would make anyone think a Padi DM has any inwater skills whatsoever? It's never tested.
I currently have an AOW student who had no dives past OW certification. We're looking at about 10 more dives at least before we get even close to venturing beyond 40ft.
The way I see it, I'd rather do a ton of dives with him during his AOW course than leave it to someone else who may not give a crap and send him off after 5 dives to go and kill himself. Yes I realize that this is going to cost me more than what I'll get paid
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The DM in question may actually not be a certified DM from any agency. The person may have been a dive guide who is generically referred to as a DM.
Minimum dives alone are a poor measure of dive leader quality. I think you need to add in varied dive experiences as well.
In truth it’s on the job training that can make the difference. If the operation provides ongoing support and informal training a new DM can become proficient in a relatively short (but intense) period of time.
I think we could all design bulletproof o/w classes and professional training classes but then no one would be able to take them as they would be too time consuming and costly relative to the return you obtain. I wonder were the GUE o/w class is?
Minimum dives alone are a poor measure of dive leader quality. I think you need to add in varied dive experiences as well.
In truth it’s on the job training that can make the difference. If the operation provides ongoing support and informal training a new DM can become proficient in a relatively short (but intense) period of time.
I think we could all design bulletproof o/w classes and professional training classes but then no one would be able to take them as they would be too time consuming and costly relative to the return you obtain. I wonder were the GUE o/w class is?
Isn't part of getting a D/M cert continuing your education along w/ getting experience??
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