Tec or Rec..can you move from Rec to Tec slowly

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Skip the H-valve thing and get your self a proper pony (slung or mounted) set up. You MK17 is sealed so it should be fine for cold water. If anything get a 2nd MK17 so if you end up in doubles, you've got matching 1sts! Don't know how good the hose routing is on those.

Good luck!

This may not be acceptable to a tec instructor allowing a single tank to be used. An H valve is required to be able to do valve shutdown drills although they are a pain as opposed to doubles. If the student does not have experience with the stage they may also not be allowed to use it. The guidelines many use call for the diver to be able to shut down one reg while still having access to the back gas. This means an H valve.
 
A lot of talk about gear but I would say there are many things that can be done without buying (much) gear to progress down the tech pathway and to see if it is what you want to do anyways.

Start planning your current rec dives as if they were tech dives to get used to that degree of refinement and calculation. Where are you going, for how long, how much gas will you need, what are your turn pressures, reserves etc...

Sling a large stage or doubles and find a buddy (or two) who will allow you to do longer NDL dives. Stretch em out to 90+minutes to see if being under water that long appeals to you. How well do you cope with the cold, desire to surface, sheer boredom.

Start working out that cardiovascular system. For me routine cardio exercise is (one) of the things that ties diving together as a lifestyle instead of something I just do here and there. I am gradually moving down the tech route as well and feel that it is pretty risky to do so (medically) with a weekend warrior mentality. Of course, I am also 46 so old age may be motivating me somewhat. I feel a tech diver should be able to think, able to act and have the right gear for the job. Sometimes we skip number two and focus too much on one and three.
 
When I started my Adv. Nitrox course, I found out very quickly that I was no where near ready. I attempted to do it in the recreational equipment modified to IANTD's standards. This proved to be VERY much not user friendly. After trying to practice on the skills without much success, my instructor suggested going on over to a technical set up: BP/W & doubles. I did so & with some difficulty, over a year & learned to control & master them. After a year & a half, I finally finished up my Adv. Nitrox course & did decent, not great, but decent at it. From there I began to go into the cave diving branch with cavern & intro. I have now been working towards my full cave cetification for a little over a year. I have had my share of struggles with it. I am hoping to finish it up sometime this year. My instructor has been patient & kind enough to let me advance at my own pace. For that I'm thankful. I seem to be the tortise at anything I do, but that extra struggle helps me, in the end, to become a better diver & a better OW instructor.
 
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Dale pretty much nailed it. There is a lot more than gear to think about. Gas planning: do you know how much gas you need for a dive? how much for emergencies? Can you look at your SPG and know if you are on track? Deco planning do you know how much deco you need to do and what happens if the depths or times fall outside of the plan? Do you know where you are at all times and the direction, and distance home? Do you know where your buddy is at all times? Do you know their status? Do you communicate well before, during and after the dive? Yeah and the gear is nice too.
 
I think most of my dives this year will be in the 90-120 range,

BTW, I am taking an Intro To Tech NAUI course to understand some of the basic Tech diving/gear configurations, but at this point, with my somewhat new dive experience(40 + dives), biting the bullet for a decked our Tech rig is just a bit much to handle.

Comments or feedback appreciated.

Ok,I think you're giving yourself the answer here.Forget that "technical" stuff for the time being.With just a one year old certification and 21-49 dives it's just not the case as yet.Dive for a few years and enjoy it and once you have at least 300-400 dives under your belt you might think about upgrading for "technical",it will come natural.At that stage a BP/wing is mandatory.Forget that canister light.
Sorry,but regarding technical,only experienced divers need to apply IMO.Besides,you can very much enjoy your diving as a so called "rec" diver.
Another thing:I would like those terms "technical" and "recreative" to be banned by law:)
And yes,those "Intro to Tech" courses are just one of the many,too many,rip offs.Diving as much as possible is your "intro" to tech.
 
Guys;

I sincerely appreciate the informative comments and suggestions. I will definitely take them in considerations as my continuing education progresses, along with my dive skills. I did email my instructor with some of my concerns, below are a few of his comments. I did not paste in the full reply. Thanks again!!!


Right now, the last item you need is the light and think of the first item as the BCD Tech Rig. Of all of the items you are using, the BCD will be the most personal. You will have the pool dives in one of our the Halcyon tech regs and you can dive one of our rigs in open water. I might have an old pool Tech BCD you can take with you and practice with.

This is an intro course, not a deep wreck penetration course. Our dives are in the 35 to 60 foot range. This so we can have a lot of practice time without running out of gas. So not having been beyond 80 feet or so is not a problem. In time, it will happen. You have a good clear head. You are thinking out how to get from where you are at to where you need to go.

The equipment concept for some is very new. We teach our basic students NTEC configuration for a single regulator, long hose primary and short hose on a neck less. And that setup will work well for your personal practice session. All you need is a single 80 cuft cylinder, with one regulator with a 3ft or better yet a 7 foot primary and a 26 - 30 inch backup.You will be working on you kicks, turns, lines and marker bags. For that you do not need a 120 cuft cylinder with an H-valve. The more important aspect is using what is called a well balance rig. That is why the Halcyon tech rig makes this happen. The Halcyon rig you dive will be your balance and trim center. But diving one is different then just looking at it.

A bunch of years ago, when a number of us instructors started with the tech stuff, we had the wrong BCD Regs. we tried to make them work, but until we went into the clean Halcyon system, it just did not happen the way it should
 
Is it all or nothing…. Tech or Rec, but not both? ... Comments or feedback appreciated.
As the majority of respondents have already indicated, it is both possible, and very appropriate, to make a slow and deliberate transition to technical diving. And, even if you have the training, and equipment to dive deeper / stay longer, that doesn't mean that your future dives will all become decompression dives to 180 ft. 'Technical' diving is about equipment, AND skill, AND attitude, AND the training that supports you in acquiring and using all three elements. I will share my personal path from new OW diver to technical diver, as one example of a slow transition, but not necessarily as the only, or even best, path. In terms of gear, I bought a drysuit a year after OW certification. A year later, I bought a 40 cf pony bottle, and also switched my backgas regulator hoses, to a 7' primary hose with a bungeed back-up. I then bought a Vytec computer (to get multi-gas capability in a wrist-mounted unit), later a (used) BP/W. I practiced breathing off the pony on deep (130') dives, to get used to switching regulators underwater, I worked on becoming comfortable with depth, diving a drysuit in the ocean (not just a controlled quarry environment), finning techniques, etc. When I bought the BP/W, I knew I was going to pursue technical training, and bought the PADI Tec Level 1 / Tec Deep materials (and found the manual to be an excellent teaching aid). By that time, I had about 180 dives, additional training through Rescue Diver, and fairly competent buoyancy control with my drysuit, which later helped me immensely during tech training. I then doubled up two HP 120s and dove them in the local quarry, then on several ocean drysuit dives, before I actually started tech training - 4.5 years after my OW certification. So, I think I made a gradual transition, adding gear along the way, developing skills, acquiring knowledge (gas planning, decompression theory, etc.) and preparing for the training.
I’d like to add a HP 120 with a new cold water reg and an H Valve.
I am a bit curious about the tank selection. For someone who might be interested in pursuing technical dive training in the future, you might think about a HP130, or a HP100, instead. The 130 because, if you want the extra gas that a 120 provides, why not go ahead and accept a little extra weight and get a little more gas. Plus, you can add a second 130 later to set up backmount double 130s - a very nice set. The 100 because, as a single tank it is very comfortable to dive, and as a BM double tank set, it has particular appeal, in terms of gas supply, moderate total weight, and very nice trim characteristics. My first HP steel was a 120, and I later bought another one and doubled them as I mentioned, so I wouldn't say there is anything wrong with the tank. But, I have a set of double 130s, and double 100s, and slightly prefer both to my double 120s. Just a thought.
Good handheld primary light with solid back up. ... I would not purchase a BP/Wing at this time, nor a canister light.
I understand the light comment at this stage in your diving. Having started with a good handheld primary light, and having waited until I was in the second part of technical training to get a canister light, that is one decision I regret. A can light is MARVELOUS, for all kinds of wreck diving. I am VERY glad I bought my drysuit early. I just wish I had bought a can light that soon. It is so much easier to use than a handheld unit, and provides much better light.
I think most of my dives this year will be in the 90-120 range
Are you planning to add a pony bottle as a redundant gas supply? I would recommend you consider it. If you do, I also suggest you go ahead and get a 40 cf tank, and sling it, to get comfortable with diving deco/stage bottles. You mentioned an H valve in commenting on possible tank purchase. I wouldn't spend (aka 'waste') the money. It doesn't offer a redundant air supply. Yes, you have back-up in the case of regulator malfunction. But, if you have a pony, you have both. And, a pony is something you will actually use in pursuing technical dive training, and technical diving, unlike an H valve.
BTW, I am taking an Intro To Tech NAUI course to understand some of the basic Tech diving/gear configurations, but at this point, with my somewhat new dive experience(40 + dives), biting the bullet for a decked our Tech rig is just a bit much to handle.
Very reasonable statement. Taking Intro to Tech will at the very least allow you to interact with an instructor, to whom you can address a lot of questions that may help guide gear and training decisions in the future. It appears that you are already taking advantage of that opportunity and getting some good advice (even if not all of us would agree that a Halcyon rig is the only, or the best, gear approach :wink:).
I’m looking to start diving wrecks this Spring summer in the Great lakes, including a trip to North Carolina in June.
Excellent. Very good wreck opportunities in both areas. As several posters have suggested, gain as much 'real world' diving experience as you can. There is a big difference, at least for me, between donning a drysuit on shore and walking into a quarry, and donning that suit on a rocking boat, jumping off into 130' water, dealing with low vis and current, then having to get back up the boat ladder, etc.
I have a DUI suit, Seaquest Balance BCD, Scubapro MK17/S600 regs, with a Cobra 2 ... I like some of the features of the Tech rigs, but since I have relatively new recreational style equipment, I'd just like to add some pieces, upgrade further down the road.
Again, a very reasonable position, and you can do just that. You are in the not uncommon situation of having purchased some good recreational diving gear that is, in at least two cases - the Balance and the Cobra 2 - not optimally suited for technical diving. And, as you may have already discovered, there isn't much of a market for a used Balance, even in almost new condition, and the gap between what you probably paid, and what you could sell it for on eBay is significant. Selling it to buy a BP/W isn't an appealing option, unless you want to take quite a loss. Maybe, you want to keep it for recreational diving. (In fact, I have a very nice Zeagle Ranger, that has been sitting unused in my closet for several years, since I added a BP. I just don't dive it any more.) Likewise, it is very unlikely that you will find a lot of use for a console computer in technical diving. But, it is what it is, and you can't change the past (unless you are an historian).
 
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Skip the H-valve thing and get your self a proper pony (slung or mounted) set up. You MK17 is sealed so it should be fine for cold water. If anything get a 2nd MK17 so if you end up in doubles, you've got matching 1sts! Don't know how good the hose routing is on those.

Good luck!


Skip the pony and go to a s40 or s80 stage...


But more more realistically... Find dives you want to do then figure out the gear you need to do it right.

..and if you dont know how to do it right get the appropiate training so you can say, "oh... wreck X is in 155 ft and I want to be there for for 7min, Ill need a 1000 liters of gas between my back gas and stage +a saftey margin which means I need XYZ gear


...and I second your instructors comments on Halcyon rigs... There are copys so you dont need to buy the name but I would, and have. I have some DSS and soem other mfg's... nothing wrong with most of the copy gear. Its just a little lower quality but doesnt seem to impact the functionality.
 
Colliam7 and Tartullian;

You guys are really good, thanks very much for the in depth and informative responses. I'm feeling alot more comfortable with my direction.

I know there is much more to diving then just the gear, i.e. understanding gas management, solid buoyancy control, excellent propulsion technique and just a real comfort level at being at depth is what I plan to work on this year.

Dive, dive, and more diving with great divers will do more to increase my skill level along with enjoyment of the sport, then just focusing on gear, though I also realize, these seems to be a rather gear intensive activity.
 
Ok,I think you're giving yourself the answer here.Forget that "technical" stuff for the time being.With just a one year old certification and 21-49 dives it's just not the case as yet.Dive for a few years and enjoy it and once you have at least 300-400 dives under your belt you might think about upgrading for "technical",it will come natural.At that stage a BP/wing is mandatory.Forget that canister light.
Sorry,but regarding technical,only experienced divers need to apply IMO.Besides,you can very much enjoy your diving as a so called "rec" diver.
Another thing:I would like those terms "technical" and "recreative" to be banned by law:)
And yes,those "Intro to Tech" courses are just one of the many,too many,rip offs.Diving as much as possible is your "intro" to tech.

After 300-400 dives you will nail down all the bad habits which will be tougher to relearn. It's always good to learn how to do it properly from the beginning and then practice it than doing 300-400 dives and then starting relearning.
 
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