Master scuba diver - why the negativity?

[Aaron528]

Beyond dry. The dead horse has been beaten beyond recognition, and the people who could give the most valuable insights are weary to the bone.

ok, maybe a moderator would be so kind as to delete the wheel i so unknowingly reinvented. :depressed:

 

[Crush]

Beyond dry. The dead horse has been beaten beyond recognition, and the people who could give the most valuable insights are weary to the bone.

Aaron528, as long as new divers keep joining SB, questions such as yours will continue being asked. No need to delete it.

boulderjohn, I think that I can field this one for you.

In the Google window of your browser, try a string such as:

site:scubaboard.com padi naui master diver standards

 

[Downing]

You have to have AOW, Rescue, plus any 5 specialties as well as 50 dives.

And be 12+ years old.

 

[TMHeimer]

I know what Jim is saying. Back to my post a ways back-- PADI counts ANY specialty towards MSD, as long as you have AOW, Rescue & 50 dives. I have a PADI list in front of me. This is what I would like to see required to make MSD mean a lot more:

Definately: Underwater Navigator (invaluable)
Deep Diver (you never know when you'll want to be down there, or get caught in a
downwelling)
P.P. Buoyancy (I KNOW this used to be and SHOULD be part of OW, but nowadays it's
not--of course, the OW Course would then cost more)

For the other 2 (unless you want to require MORE than 5, which may be a good idea):
Choose from these according to your locale and interests, they all have some safety
component:
Altitude, Drift, Nitrox (almost a must nowadays), Multilevel, Night, Wreck (mostly if you want to penetrate--the rest is just be careful, remember where you are and where the anchor line is, etc.), S & R, Cavern, Ice, Cave and all the Tech. stuff of course

Anything else would be for your enjoyment only and shouldn't count toward MSD.

Interesting side thought: If PADI upped the specialties requirement to 7 or 8 they would make a whole lot more money. Perhaps the new, more accomplished (and poorer) MSD could then be awarded the MSD card free of charge.....

 

[LakeCountyDiver]

This Thread long and worn out still lacks the fact that "Master Diver" from PADI to NAUI are different. There not the same and is a huge INSULT to anybody that has taken NAUI MD class to be thrown in the ring with PADI's. A NAUI student really has to show Performance and knowledge on diving to earn his MD and is the ONLY way to get his DM it'ss half the ticket.

PADI's dive master program is half books and half physical performance. NAUI's dive master is a tiny exam and mainly water trials/physical performance. The other requirement for NAUI's DM is to have your "master diver" which is where you did all your books.

If you have 2 people that are Master Diver's 1from NAUI and 1from PADI you cant necessarily compare the 2.

 

[Thalassamania]

People who really know what they are doing in any field take umbrage when a credentialing body waters down the requirements for minimum skills. A real professional knows that once a title is conferred, the beginning of real learning begins (practice); they haven't come anywhere close to being a "master" and they understand that learning never stops anyway. A card at any diving level supposedly documents that the person demonstrated the minimum skills needed to earn the card, but that doesn't mean they are seasoned and experienced.

From everything I've read, the trend with PADI and NAUI seems to have been to relax requirements, while keeping the titles the same? This has spawned competing credentialing bodies with more stringent requirements? Does this mean ultimately that the "big guys" will lose credibility? There are folks on here who have been diving and teaching professionally for years. What do you think? :focus:

There are no recreational credentials that I know of that can be completely trusted today ... thus ALL DIVERS now get a written exam and a checkout dive (at a minimum) before I would supervise them on a cruise, Course Directors included.

 

[BoltSnap]

This Thread long and worn out still lacks the fact that "Master Diver" from PADI to NAUI are different. There not the same and is a huge INSULT to anybody that has taken NAUI MD class to be thrown in the ring with PADI's. A NAUI student really has to show Performance and knowledge on diving to earn his MD and is the ONLY way to get his DM it'ss half the ticket.

PADI's dive master program is half books and half physical performance. NAUI's dive master is a tiny exam and mainly water trials/physical performance. The other requirement for NAUI's DM is to have your "master diver" which is where you did all your books.

If you have 2 people that are Master Diver's 1from NAUI and 1from PADI you cant necessarily compare the 2.

Oh boy, here it comes again

 

[BoltSnap]

There are no recreational credentials that I know of that can be completely trusted today ... thus ALL DIVERS now get a written exam and a checkout dive (at a minimum) before I would supervise them on a cruise, Course Directors included.

WhiteShark,

What cruises are you conducting? Can I come??

 

[boulderjohn]

This Thread long and worn out still lacks the fact that "Master Diver" from PADI to NAUI are different. T.

What is your definition of "lacks"?

I skimmed through the thread and found 6 references to the fact that the NAUI and PADI courses are different prior to your post. I probably missed some others in my skimming. Two of them came from you, posts in which you rhapsodized on how difficult the NAUI course you are taking is.

You have now written three posts in which you have talked about how hard the NAUI course is and how much you are learning from it. How many more posts will it take before this "lack" in the thread is filled?

 

[aquaregia]

Interesting side thought: If PADI upped the specialties requirement to 7 or 8 they would make a whole lot more money. Perhaps the new, more accomplished (and poorer) MSD could then be awarded the MSD card free of charge.....

I have an extremely high opinion of PADI's marketing division. I'm sure they've done the research to figure the optimum number of dives and specialties to keep people feeling both interested and distinguished.