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Hey there! I was in a meeting with Ricardo last month and he specifically told me that neither the Lion Tamer, nor any other form of spear inside the Marine Park is permitted. If things have changed we were not informed. He was very receptive and quite informed about the fact that The ELF Tool and introduction program is in place at St Kitts’ University of Veterinary Medicine, Bonaire's Marine Park, Curacao’s Marine Park and Anguilla’s Marine Park. The idea is for the Coz’s Marine Park to allow only ELF tools which they will own and distribute to authorized DMs and Instructors only. It is not positive for our reefs to have every DM, instructor or visitor to be diving with homemade spears or just any tool they can purchase. We will need restraint and vigilance from us operators to not permit our employees or our guests to be out hunting as if it were open season at the marine park. The way to get authorized by the marine park will be to take a version of the PADI Lionfish hunter ELF Tool cert tailored made for Coz which will be offered by the Marine Park to volunteers and willing Dive Shops. The tools will be owned by the Marine Park so you will not need to purchase it. Of course we are supporting any shop or entity that wants to donate ELF tools to the Coz Marine Park. For example Sand Dollar Sports has purchased 20 ELFs at over $2000Dlls and donated them to the Marine Park already. The Marine Park has yet to hand them out because the initial course has yet to be programmed. Senor Frogs also graciously offered to host the event where they will be asking for a donation on the 18th of $50 pesos to go to the Cozumel Marine Park so they can purchase more ELFs so they can distribute them.
I also completely disagree with the fact that you say that the buddy diver checking depth and air has nothing to do with how effective the tool is. It has everything to do with how effective the tool is. Just killing Lionfish is not the goal. We need to do this with the least amount of collateral damage possible. From educating our guests, to informing of our hunting, to hunting in safe and correct manner and finally reporting as the Marine Park suggests. We need to educate our guests as to why this is going on and not just kill fish without a proper explanation. We need to make sure our guests who are visiting us have a chance to not be participants if they choose not to be. Respecting everyone’s views is something we need to do especially if we are talking about killing fish. Believe it or not there is a movement to deal with the Lion fish that believes you should leave nature alone and stop meddling. So although I do not support that view I cannot have a paying guest who is well informed of the lionfish problem and has a issue with my DMs or instructors hunting Lionfish be surprised by the fact that we come out of the water with our catch.
Also, there are many homemade tools that many DMs and Instructors are using. We need to put a stop to this. These homemade tools vary from size, accuracy and safety. Many of these homemade tools are a work in progress so as the DMs or Instructors go through the process of learning to shoot their tool and perfecting its’ aim the damage done to the coral is profound. Every new tool that staff bring to the boats is the same learning curve.
We would be limiting this “learn as you go” practice by offering the best tool in the market and by offering this tool with an instruction program to be presented in a controlled atmosphere where the designated hunters take a dive or two to practice in an area that causes no collateral damage to the reef. The Marine Park course will also give the DMs and Instructors knowledge as to how to remove the lion fish in a safe way from the spear and what not to do with the carcass. There are so many DMs feeding these dead lion fish to either groupers, anemones, spotted eels and trigger fish. That is not a recommended practice it interferes with the food chain and we took years eliminating the feed the fish dive programs and now many dive shops are reintroducing feeding through the lion fish hunt. I know there are great hunters out there so let’s get them onboard and have them all working with the same information.
Are we really too good to ask our staff to be informed properly and to have the proper education as to what may happen if they shoot a reef and why it isn’t an issue if they don’t have a clear shot to wait for the next time because these fish are extremely territorial? Are we too superior to make sure our DMs and Instructors take the proper precautions when hunting so they do not put themselves in danger to try to get that lionfish that got away?
The fact of the matter is we are hunting today as cowboys in the Wild West. We should aspire to be more professional than that and improve the image of hunting so guests who dive Cozumel leave with the knowledge and the assurance that we are doing the most we can as a destination to combat these invaders.
 
Hi. You were on here 2 months ago promoting your new PADI lionfish killing cert being offered and your own sling. (It got moved due to its commercial nature). I think you should be clear about your biases here.

Really? I think you should know Marg that Ricardo asked ELF Tool owners on March the 19th of last year to please not sell any ELFs in the island because he did not want another tool just floating around in divers hands inside the marine park. A year has gone by and there have been several proposals from people wanting to buy ELF tools and/or distribute them here on the island. The have not sold any adhereing to Cozumel's Marine Park's request. There isn't a hidden agenda here, and if anything these guys have been working in favor of all of us and our interests. I think they have been very clear in my opinion about there "biases".
All of the PADI Lionfish certification Hondaid has done here on the island has been for free. I know because I hosted his last visit here. He is spending his own money to do this right. Cut him some slack, man...
 
To inform you the staff at the marine park use Lion tammers and yes have given permission to individuals to use them inside the marine park.
What is the big difference between the ELF and the Lion tammer that you would spend $200 usd vs $20 usd for something that has a spring and you have to be even closer to the lion fish to spear it vs something that has a rubber band and has a farther reach? It is the same concept.
When we talk about checking our air etc... this is first number one standards for any type of diving.
We are talking about D.M.'s hunting lion fish inside the marine park not tourists. Information for tourist about what we are doing is a must just like a dive briefing.
By saying that the ELF is the best tool on the market I would like to know how do you come to this conclusion?
I do not belive that we are acting like wild cowboys but protectors of our reefs that from day one we have been out there to try and keep the population at check. I have a extremely high number of lion fish caught here in the reefs of Cozumel. When I first started catching them I would use a mask box but then I would run into the problem when I found more then my box could hold, so I started using fish nets just like the kind you use in your aquarium. These work excellently, you can catch the smallest to the biggest but it take more time and patience. I now use aquarium fish nets and a Lion Tammer (and a spear gun when I am in the north for the bigger lion fish just because it saves time).
 
Hey guys great meeting with Ricardo today! He as always is professional and has a perfect solution for everyone!!
All he is asking at the moment is to either hunt with the ELF or go to the Marine Park offices and show them what you are hunting with. He is being really resoanable here. If it meets certain criteria the tool you have will be OKd and Id under your name. This seems really acceptable for everyone I hope. Here is the best part though, if the tool does not meet the criteria they want they will hand you in a tool that they accept. How could this not work in everyines favor? If your tool is good have the Marine Park inspect it and ID it. Lets work together people!!!

Please before bashing and being negative please consider that the Marine Park wants to help you. I know you all have your personal opinions and that you all have great ideas, please reach out to the Marine Park of Cozumel and have them learn what great ideas you have!!
 
I def understand the importance of getting rid of non native invaders but when I first heard about the lionfish issue I couldn't believe no one is catching them and selling them to the aquarium market. I'm sure lots of people do obvioiusly but the main thing I read about is people spearing them. Obviously logistics play a huge role in shipping/commodity value but seeing tiny lionfish in my local area aquarium shops fetching $35-50 bucks a piece......seems like some easy/fun money to be made.(compared to digging ditches anyway)
Two local pet shops have had larger lionfish with a price tag of $300. About the size of the bigger ones I've seen people spearing on here and in FL. I'm in a land locked state so they obviously fetch a higher $ but if I was in FL or somewhere I would sale them like hot cakes and crack! If any of you local wranglers want to round up a dozen or so, yell at me and I'll cover the shipping. :wink:
 
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To Staffybull...If you read up on this invasion, the best "Theory" as to how this current invasion all started was through releases of aquarium fish back in the mid-80's...let's break the cycle...No more imported lionfish..Let's try to control what we have now...We have quite a battle on our hands to be sure! We divers did not start this but...it is now our responsibility to attempt to control it if we are to have healthy reefs in our future. for more info, please visit The Frapper | Team Frapper | The Lionfish Eliminator | Help Protect Our Reefs From Lionfish Thank You!
 
Doesnt the harvesting business for home tanks do a windfall biz about now?
 
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