Baggage fees.. Tightening the Screws

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Well then, since you've got such a deep understanding of how an airline should be run, why don't you start your own? Otherwise, what exactly is it that you mean to do about this "shoddy treatment" that I am so accepting of? Talk is cheap.

One reason I accept it is that it really isn't a big deal to me. There are always options; you could pay extra to sit up in first class in those wide comfy seats and not have to wait in line with the slobbering masses to get aboard. Or you could stay home; that'll show 'em! :D

You accuse me of oversimplification, but to assume that since I don't raise hell about the minor inconveniences (yes, minor, in my worldview. YMMV) involved in flying that that means that I "go through life simply saying 'it's a futile exercise. It is what it is.'" about everything I encounter, what is that but a gross oversimplification? I choose my fights, and this is one I do not choose. That doesn't mean I never choose to fight. I try not to tilt at windmills, though.

I do a simple cost/benefit analysis when I buy an airline ticket, and if it's worth it, all things considered, I plunk down. If not, well... not. If you are surprised when you get your Visa bill, then you didn't try very hard to keep track of the numbers. It's really not that hard to find out exactly what the bottom line is going to be.

It is very easy to go onto an internet forum and bluster about how much better you could run the airlines; it is quite another thing to actually run one. Drop me an email, though, when your airline starts running flights to Cozumel with wide seats, big overhead bins, streamlined boarding, no charge for checked bags or meals, and what-you-see-is-what-you-get pricing. I'll probably buy a ticket.

For someone who professes not to much care about this issue, you sure are taking this pretty seriously and have some pretty strong / defensive opinions.

A couple of quick points, then I am done.

I do not bluster about how much better I could run an airline. I do have some knowledge of costing and price development. IMO, they could be doing a much better job. Do you accept every disagreement with how an airline is run, or every suggestion as to how to do something different as an assertion of superiority? It is certainly not in evidence here that I have made any such assertions. If you think differently, please re-read what I have written.

I vote with my $$ and where there is a choice, I will choose the airline that burdens me with the least nonsense. I have communicated my displeasure directly to several airlines with regard to some of their current policies. No, I do not mean that I complain to the desk staff who have no say in such policies. I address my communications to management. Will any of this make a difference? That depends on how many other people bother to do anything. Businesses react to their customers.

I am not surpised by my Visa bill. Disliking the severe disconnect between advertised pricing and final cost does not equate to any inability on my part to properly manage my finances.
 
For someone who professes not to much care about this issue, you sure are taking this pretty seriously and have some pretty strong / defensive opinions.

A couple of quick points, then I am done.

I do not bluster about how much better I could run an airline. I do have some knowledge of costing and price development. IMO, they could be doing a much better job. Do you accept every disagreement with how an airline is run, or every suggestion as to how to do something different as an assertion of superiority? It is certainly not in evidence here that I have made any such assertions. If you think differently, please re-read what I have written.

I vote with my $$ and where there is a choice, I will choose the airline that burdens me with the least nonsense. I have communicated my displeasure directly to several airlines with regard to some of their current policies. No, I do not mean that I complain to the desk staff who have no say in such policies. I address my communications to management. Will any of this make a difference? That depends on how many other people bother to do anything. Businesses react to their customers.

I am not surpised by my Visa bill. Disliking the severe disconnect between advertised pricing and final cost does not equate to any inability on my part to properly manage my finances.
Well, I guess there are things that you just don't get as well. I'll talk about this all you want in here. That doesn't mean that I care a whole lot. Maybe it's that I care very deeply about my right to not care about it, or is that too convoluted for you? :D

You are p!$$ed off about the way that airlines conduct their business and you think you could do it better. I get it, I really do. I'm not upset about it because I choose not to be; I deal with it the way that it is because I do not believe that the way that it is is likely to change any time soon. And I just don't see why this is giving you so much heartburn. There is a base price, there are fees. Add them up and that's how much it costs. Big deal.

All that writing of letters to airline management and voting with your dollars - how is that working out for you? Have you managed to change anything? Has any manager ever replied to you and said, "Oh my god, you are so right. How can I have been so stupid? Please come to work for us and fix things! Better yet, please take MY job!"? :D
 
Well, I guess there are things that you just don't get as well. I'll talk about this all you want in here. That doesn't mean that I care a whole lot. Maybe it's that I care very deeply about my right to not care about it, or is that too convoluted for you? :D

You are p!$$ed off about the way that airlines conduct their business and you think you could do it better. I get it, I really do. I'm not upset about it because I choose not to be; I deal with it the way that it is because I do not believe that the way that it is is likely to change any time soon. And I just don't see why this is giving you so much heartburn. There is a base price, there are fees. Add them up and that's how much it costs. Big deal.

All that writing of letters to airline management and voting with your dollars - how is that working out for you? Have you managed to change anything? Has any manager ever replied to you and said, "Oh my god, you are so right. How can I have been so stupid? Please come to work for us and fix things! Better yet, please take MY job!"? :D

You sir, are a condescending ass. You have continually mischaracterized what I wrote. Have your fun. I will not be responding further.
 
When it's time to buy of course, cars or tickets, we all compare what we can get at various sources - then decide if it's worth it to us or not. Whether we make good decisions or not is ours to live with... :)

LOL I couldn't be bothered to do that kind of legwork, there are services out there that will provide that info for a fee.
Cool. Since you mentioned them, can you share some links?
Wow, make assumptions much?

* I don't buy vehicles that have to be shipped 5,000 miles.
* I don't jerk sales people around. I get their price, give them mine, and they get one crack at getting it right. I do not use sales people to do any of my research, I already know what I want when we start the conversation. If a sales person is willing to deal with me s/he gets an easy walk-in that takes only as long as the paperwork.
* I do product costing for a living. I do cost plus price buildups for bid responses. I am familiar with the process, and I pay a reasonable commission that both covers their true costs and allows for a profit.
Sounds fair. How much do you allow them anyway?
 
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LOL I couldn't be bothered to do that kind of legwork, there are services out there that will provide that info for a fee.

Well the guy that did it was getting paid by the city. He sorta had to do it himself as it was a bid process and all. He retired I think from buying vehicles for the state before coming over to the city.
 
Sounds fare. How much do you allow them anyway?

You know he may be a little strident on the issue, but I think I would let him buy a car for me.... :wink:
 
When it's time to buy of course, cars or tickets, we all compare what we can get at various sources - then decide if it's worth it to us or not. Whether we make good decisions or not is ours to live with... :)


Cool. Since you mentioned them, can you share some links?

Sounds fare. How much do you allow them anyway?

My current vehicle is a 2009 bought in 2008, so when I went back to my bookmarks several were no longer valid. Welcome to the internet world.

The two I have which still work are:

Car Cost Canada - Home Page

and

Cars4u.com - Buy or lease your new car online

You will notice that both are Canadian links - I don't buy my cars in Texas LOL, so I did not look for any equivalent US services. I would be shocked if you can't find any, though. I found the CarCost one pretty good. When I used the service in 2003 to buy a 2004 vehicle, they had a pre-negotiated deal with a local dealership. Just printed it and brought it in, no negotiation required.

Interestingly, I generally shoot for 2.5% to 3.0% as a reasonable profit for the dealership. That pre-negotiated deal was at 1.5%.

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I used these or similar services for a 2002 and 2006 purchase with great success as well, and after refering several family members can attest to at least 4 - 5 more successes that I am personally familiar with using these services. Well worth the cost and time savings.

Unless you just like haggling.
 
I hate haggling and I hate paying too much. 1.5% sounds like a tight margin? :confused: 3% ain't much but if the dealers go for it, cool. I probably paid too much for the 2007 I bought last month, but I hadn't bought a car in decades - been driving pickups, the last one for many years. Oh well, I like it, it was the closest I would get to what I wanted out here in the middle of nowhere, the dealer turns over cars quickly I know, and - tada: it is red! As long as I will keep one, it needs to be the right color.

There are many, many sites on the internet for car shopping. I still have no idea which one to believe, but for air fare shopping, I hightly recommend Kayak.com and Matrix.itasoftware.com as good starting sites.
 
I hate haggling and I hate paying too much. 1.5% sounds like a tight margin? :confused: 3% ain't much but if the dealers go for it, cool.

I thought it was tight too, and was lower than I would have pushed for on my own, but since they had already agreed to it...

I have added Kayak and Matrix to my bookmarks. Look good so far with a bit of playing. The test will be when I book my next flight for real. Next scheduled trip is Victoria BC to do some left coast diving with my bro in September. Already booked on points, so that one was as cheap as it was going to get LOL.
 
I thought it was tight too, and was lower than I would have pushed for on my own, but since they had already agreed to it...

I have added Kayak and Matrix to my bookmarks. Look good so far with a bit of playing. The test will be when I book my next flight for real. Next scheduled trip is Victoria BC to do some left coast diving with my bro in September. Already booked on points, so that one was as cheap as it was going to get LOL.
Very good use of points as the cheapest I see from there to Victoria is $722, $747 weekend, a little cheaper into Vancouver. I once flew to Seattle just to dive there, which surprised a lot of people - no Texan has ever been known to do so, but there are things to see there you won't see anywhere else. I'd love to dive Victoria - heard it's the best on the west coast.
 

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