padi self reliant diver

[hroark2112]

The bailout that I carry has a regulator with a 7' hose on it. If you & I are ever diving together, and the SHTF on you, you're welcome to pop that regulator in your mouth and we'll surface together alive.

 

[Wookie]

I guess it was my impression that rebreather pilots were solo by definition - you can't donate your hoses, and any open circuit you take with you is deco gas for you only...(?)

Started my online SDI solo academics. Doing the open water when Dutch Springs opens for weekdays....

Actually, rebreather divers are taught and usually carry a 40 of a bailout gas, which is likely to be bottom gas and not deco gas. Additionally, there are very few rebreather pilots who dive solo, and for that reason. A 40 of gas will not get you to the surface from a long or a deep dive, so rebreather divers learn to carry "team bailout". Carrying individual bailout gas for a deep deco dive might result in carrying 2 or more 80's. And if you're gonna carry 2 or more 80's as well as a rebreather, you might as well carry doubles. So it's reasonable to assume that only one rebreather on a rebreather team will fail, and if they pool all of their gas, they can get the diver with the failed unit out of the cave or up from the wreck.

 

[maniago]

The bailout that I carry has a regulator with a 7' hose on it. If you & I are ever diving together, and the SHTF on you, you're welcome to pop that regulator in your mouth and we'll surface together alive.

Ok I'll bite. What cu is your bailout? And why a 7' hose? Do you take up a lot of space in the water column?

---------- Post added April 6th, 2014 at 03:46 PM ----------

Actually, rebreather divers are taught and usually carry a 40 of a bailout gas, which is likely to be bottom gas and not deco gas. Additionally, there are very few rebreather pilots who dive solo, and for that reason. A 40 of gas will not get you to the surface from a long or a deep dive, so rebreather divers learn to carry "team bailout". Carrying individual bailout gas for a deep deco dive might result in carrying 2 or more 80's. And if you're gonna carry 2 or more 80's as well as a rebreather, you might as well carry doubles. So it's reasonable to assume that only one rebreather on a rebreather team will fail, and if they pool all of their gas, they can get the diver with the failed unit out of the cave or up from the wreck.

I was going to do a try-it rebreather, but when I found out its 5k to 20k for a rebreather and all the other gear hassle you mention above, I just didnt see it as recreational-fun anymore - more like work. And that's what I'm trying to escape from...

 

[hroark2112]

For the diving I'm doing now, my bailout is an al40. Once I'm into deeper stuff, I'll carry bigger.

Why a 7' hose? During my certification class on the rebreather, the other student had a short hose and swimming next to each other so closely just sucked. The costs difference on the hose was minimal, so I use that. If someone is OOA, why not make it as easy as possible on us both?

 

[boulderjohn]

I guess it was my impression that rebreather pilots were solo by definition - you can't donate your hoses, and any open circuit you take with you is deco gas for you only...(?)

Every time I have ever dived with a buddy on a rebreather, he had the ability to donate from the bailout bottle. In November I was in the vicinity of what was aparently an oxygen toxicity event with two rebreather divers. The toxing diver was saved by his buddy, who donated from his bailout with the long hose on it.

 

[maniago]

Ok, I just don't know. But I guess with the RBs I've seen they are good sized packages hoses etal, then if you have a 40 slung and another something for deco slung, you have pretty good presence in the water. x2 RBs and sure I can see a 7' being better.

 

[exposure]

Just my 2 cents, the PADI Self-Reliant specialty is NOT a solo diving certification.

"The purpose of the Self-Reliant Diver specialty course is to recognize and accept the role of the buddy system and its contributions to diver safety while identifying and developing self-reliance and independence while diving". Extract from the instructor manual.

 

[mick allein III]

Certainly doesn't sound solo.


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[DaleC]

How could they sell a solo course when it violates one of the primary "rules" they promote? "Do as I say.. unless I can make money teaching you not to". The only way around it would be to deem solo diving a technical activity with different rules than those found in recreational diving, like violating NDL's.

 

[knotical]

Just my 2 cents, the PADI Self-Reliant specialty is NOT a solo diving certification.

"The purpose of the Self-Reliant Diver specialty course is to recognize and accept the role of the buddy system and its contributions to diver safety while identifying and developing self-reliance and independence while diving". Extract from the instructor manual.

My 2 cents say it IS - except for the name.

see: http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/ad...di-lacking-solo-diver-course.html#post5912881 for how it compares with the SDI Solo course.

Also from the instructor manual:

There are two reasons for an experienced diver to take the Self-Reliant diver course:
• To develop the skills of planning and carrying out dives without a partner when preferred or necessary.
• To sharpen skills of diving self-reliance, making the diver a stronger partner in a dive pair or team.

(immediately follows your quote)