Ok, any one use this?

[rddvet]

Why are you putting in cookies and arrows in zero vis? Aren't you on your way OUT at that .

The one easily explainable reason right off the bat is to give your buddy an idea of where you went if you're separated in zero vis. There are many methods to do this, and each team should have it worked out before diving together, but some people use cookies or arrows in that scenario.

 

[Superlyte27]

I understand that the spool can't turn once it's clipped into the line, but nothing is then keeping the line from unspooling except tension. If you, for example, ran the line around a placement to bring it in at a right angle, and the line slipped off the placement, that tension would be gone, and then nothing prevents the line from unspooling just from its weight. Also, you still have to clip it to store it in a pocket, right? So you don't get "rid" of a clip.

I dunno. Maybe this is a great gadget. I love my little Dive Rite jump reel, and I know people who would say that's not necessary, either. But I want to hear some feedback from people who buy this before I get all excited. I bought a Spreel, years ago, and learned to my chagrin that that wasn't a good idea. Spools are just darned simple, which is the best thing about them.

You guys are overthinking this. In the pocket it can't unwind. Once deployed it can't unwind. No reel (pun intended) issues. I still don't like them, but not for any of the reasons stated above.

 

[rhwestfall]

I use then o-ring secure method which insures the double ender can't open and lose the spool..

please elaborate (pic?)

 

[Superlyte27]

Why are you putting in cookies and arrows in zero vis? Aren't you on your way OUT at that point?

Depends on the diver and the cave. People are diving all over the world in caves with zero vis from start to finish. There are lots of caves in Florida that start with zero vis and later open up to good vis. Or, perhaps you are pushing through the silt in a restriction to get to the other side. You've now created zero vis, but the dive isn't over.

 

[Garth]

The problem is the double ender in the spool scenario is a failure point. I have a pretty big collection of double enders that fall off that I find,so having a drysuit pocket because necessary. I like reels,but for emergencies spools are great,but I use then o-ring secure method which insures the double ender can't open and lose the spool. With all new pieces of gear there is always skepticism,in fact I remember when the spools first appeared many people disregarded them as junk and not belonging in cave diving,so I have learned to wait and see,because with some innovation,this could be the next great tool.

Can you describe how you use the o-ring to prevent the bolt snap from opening? That sounds like a great idea.

 

[The Chairman]

please elaborate (pic?)

Can you describe how you use the o-ring to prevent the bolt snap from opening? That sounds like a great idea.

It's kinda funny, but I sent him a PM asking the very same thing. I hate pockets, and would love to see how this works.

 

[Aotus]

Is the double ender really a failure point? Or is handling one just more of a liability because it passes through your hands unattached to anything for a moment (and so can be dropped)? Once installed, I can't imagine it coming undone from a line, and since this new spool still requires one to be carried (unless you prefer pockets) then you still have the same liability...and perhaps more so because you then have to connect it to yourself again after setting up your jump.

 

[rhwestfall]

It's kinda funny, but I sent him a PM asking the very same thing. I hate pockets, and would love to see how this works.

Pete:

If he answers you, please update me on it too.

Thanks.

 

[The Chairman]

Is the double ender really a failure point?

Hell, yes! I've stopped clipping a lot of things due to the inherent mechanical failure of all clips. Bungeed loops are my favorite.

 

[nimoh]

It seems to me that it doesn't really speed up the connection of a spool to a line, maybe a bit but pretty insignificant. The notches may snag while rewinding, and that could slow things down a bit (probably not much and even less with practice). So, I see these two things as a wash.

My concern would be for short jumps (a few feet). It appears that you would need to get quite a bit of line off of the spool to expose the notches before being able to make a secure connection and if the line didn't get all the way to the end of the notch, it could easily be bumped off. Perhaps I am mistaken about this, I haven't had one in my hands to check this out.

I think that with a double ender the spool is locked into place much more securely. Maybe this is unnecessary, I'm not sure, but it seems to work well.