Concerns raised about agency response to student fatality

[The Chairman]

I have seen CDS instructors, bod members and full cave CDS trained divers who look like crap.

I was referring to discipline.

 

[Wookie]

I was referring to discipline.

Frau Farbissina has some discipline for you.

 

[RainPilot]

The love which dare not speak its name....

 

[bamafan]

I was referring to discipline.

I wouldn't say that either as I know some CDS instructors who have at the time they were made a CDS instructor they had never been through an internship. I know of one instructor who received a scooter instructor card in the mail unrequested and he couldn't figure out why. He later figured it out that is was basically a bribe to keep him quiet about some other magic cards being issued. The CDS is just as quilty of the same stuff as the other agencies do.

 

[bamafan]

Some of the stuff the CDS does is just brain dead. They have the grand poobah posting how there are no gold line T's in Florida on the CDS Facebook page and not one BOD or instructor corrects it. They even had one of their BOD members pushing the Reg Mount on their social media pages. They also had them at their workshop. Not one fellow bod member or instructor tried to stop it. Anyone who thinks mounting a GoPro in front of your purge button on a regulator is a good idea especially in technical diving is clueless. So to say they are the best at anything is a big stretch in my opinion.

 

[The Chairman]

The CDS is just as quilty

That's just hearsay squared at this point: the stuff of rumors and innuendo without any supporting evidence. I have a high regard for most aspects of the NSSCDS and have seen them fail instructor wannabes.

 

[wetb4igetinthewater]

I am looking at this from the lawsuit that will be coming. We all know how when there is a fatality that training agencies are included in the list of plaintiffs, as their teaching standards are brought into question.

If a cave training agency has an instructor having a fatality where students were left alone and this is not found to be in violation of their standards, well... that agency does not want me to be a member of that jury. To me wrecks and caves are the most dangerous environments. If instructors are required to be in control of all students in open water courses, I would expect that for overhead environments, it would be stressed even more. So the response in this incident has me puzzled. Obviously I do not know everything, but the fact that students were left alone in a cave is the crux of the issue. When I seek cave training there will be an instructor/assistant with me at all times or I'm finding a different instructor/agency

 

[KevinNM]

No continuous guideline is just insane given that it was obviously possible to get lost.

 

[bamafan]

That's just hearsay squared at this point: the stuff of rumors and innuendo without any supporting evidence. I have a high regard for most aspects of the NSSCDS and have seen them fail instructor wannabes.

Hopefully Bob Schulte is successful at getting on the bod and can get the CDS out of training. I refuse to support them in anyway as long as they are just another training agency.

 

[Wookie]

If a cave training agency has an instructor having a fatality where students were left alone and this is not found to be in violation of their standards, well... that agency does not want me to be a member of that jury.

I can guarantee that you will never serve on a jury of a diving fatality, more's the pity. The counsel for both sides don't want anyone on the jury who knows more of the story than they do.