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Having it near water makes sense. I'd be more likely to go if I can write off the air fare and most of the hotel bill as a business expense and then do some diving on each end of the convention.

January is a big month for trips in this area as well, but the DEMA show is planned at least a year in advance, so I do not see the reason for it to conflict with dive trips.

In October on the other hand we are still actively diving and usually have a full plate of end of the season commercial work as well.
 
My understanding is that they try to alternate location by east/west. They they put the show out for bid and it goes to the lowest bidder.

Usually but not always the west goes to Vegas but it's also been in Anaheim and San Francisco.

Apparently SF was a nighmare for the Vendors. The convention center would not allow them to put their own booths together and charged them a fortune for labor.

East has been Houston, New Orleans, Miami, Orlando

Dave
 
Yea, Burbon Street will do that.

akscubainst:
New Orleans was fun but again, it was expensive.
Dave
 
Dan Gibson:
Yea, Burbon Street will do that.


I wish!, I was walking around with a wife who was pregnant at the time. Everytime we walked by spicy food she felt sick.

Dave
 
Well, after reading what has been posted, we can see the problem with DEMA. It isn't being treated as a business show. It is a party for some people and just a stop on the way to go diving for others.

I have been attending the show since 1983 and it used to be a place where manufacturers introduced new ideas and products. They "tested the waters' as far as new products were concerned to see if the shops could sell a new concept.

Unfortunately, if those products weren't already into full production, they weren't ready for distribution until around May, June or July... WAY too late for most of the bigger diving markets. On the other hand, if they did come to the show with a new product backed by a warehouse full of stock and that new item turned out to be a dud, the manufacturer was stuck with a ton of "junk" that they had to try to dump to get some of their money back on.

During those early years, DEMA specials were actually specials that you could only get by attending the show. Even the smallest dive store could save at least the cost of attending by making smart purchases. Today, the "specials" are offered to everyone in mass mailings a week or so before and after the show. That alone takes away one business incentive for attending.

Ok ... what about the time of year? Many major manufacturers had moved to fall as a time to introduce booking programs and the new products that are coming out in the spring (as long as the sales force can get enough booking orders). It turns out that it is also an excellent time of year to offer the shops closeouts on the stuff that didn't move during the height of the diving season ... just in time for Christmas sales. Come the January DEMA show, many of the shops were already booked up and didn't have any "open to buy" left ... even though most of their stuff, with the exception of last year's items, hadn't hit their door yet. They couldn't buy anything because they knew that their trusted major manufacturer will be delivering all those back-orders "any time now".

And what about the parties/entertainment. The show put on by the manufacturers was a real party as well. Remember when the DEMA banquet was FREE? Yup, they would regularly set out at least one spread every year open to all attendees. I remember one year in new Orleans when DEMA had boat loads of crawdads, shrimp, french bread and all the soda, wine and beer you could drink. Last year you had to pay go get in! Oh, and don't forget the entertainment. Underwater celebs regularly introduced their latest works at the shows. I remember my first show watching a magnificent six projector slide presentation followed by Jack McKinney's latest production (which, by the way, caught fire on the projector). It inspired us so much that we set up a photo department in the store that year. And who can forget seeing the diving short in Las Vegas with, a then relatively unknown, PeeWee Herman. Followed for several years by a comedian doing intro to diving videos that were made available to all dive stores for little to nothing. Yes, our entertainment was aimed at improving the diving industry ... but it was paid for by the manufacturers. They had a right!

Now, comes the October show. It just makes sense for the manufacturers and stores. The dive stores are, hopefully sitting with a fat wallet from a successful diving season. Manufacturers can introduce new stuff with no fear that they will not be able to get it out the door in time for next spring. Plus, they still have some time to make changes that the dealers want if the new item isn't quite up to snuff. Stores can pick up on closeouts in time for Christmas sales.

Bottom line ... is DEMA going to make it? Not the DEMA that we see today. Oh, there will be a show. But the organization that puts it on will have to make some drastic changes or it will be taken over by someone else. There was already an announcement of a totally different show in January of 2006 put on by someone else. But ANY show will require a return to basic business show ideas. Dive stores will have to quit using the show as a reward for more students taught, more dives led or the most money spent and just bring qualified buyers. Exhibitors will have to quit charging attendees to come in and buy from them. and Manufacturers will have to quit spending exorbitant amounts of money trying to have the biggest, sexiest or most high tech booth space on the show floor. One un-named company spent in excess of $200,000 at Miami in show costs! Ridiculous!!! Buyers and sellers both need to come to work ... not just to play.

(stepping down from soapbox)


Just my $.02

Ray Contreras
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www.ossystems.com
 
On comparative notes.
The manufacturers ski show is in Vegas every March. Retailers count on ordering for the next ski season at that event. They don't even call it the "ski show", its simply known in the ski retail world as "Vegas". Same for "WESA" which is the retail show for horse tack, saddles, clothing, and equipment. The show is in Denver every January. Both industries do have much smaller supplemental, regional shows.
DEMA should follow suit. Same time same place, "Vegas", every year. Communities near water like Miami, LA, New Orleans, could have supplemental shows.
Consistency and value are paramount.
My friends who attended DEMA this year were a bit disappointed. They said it felt like a ghost town. Do it in Vegas for business sake!
 
Vegas, Oct. 4-7.

Personally, Vegas does not excite me. It's fun once or twice, and maybe more if the wife doesn't come and you are into boozing and paid sex, but that's about it. Plus there's no diving - hardly a great place to permanently locate a diveshow!

I thought Miami was great. Lots of reasonably priced hotels. bars, neat restaurants and beaches within easy access of the show, and great diving so you can get wet. As good as Houston was bad.
 
I have been attending DEMA since 1999. I went for two years as a Dive travel Specialist and my husband as an PADI instructor. We were only able to access the travel side of the show and just browse the equipment booths with no dicussion from the vendors because we were not buyers. Then we opened our shop in July 2002. We were thrilled to be able to go to DEMA as buyers and thought we had finally reached an arena where we would be able to talk to a lot of vendors, set up accounts and place orders. Well that didn't happen. It was a complete dissapointment. Now instead of them saying "oh your not a buyer we can't talk to you" it was "oh your a buyer but you don't have an account with us yet" We had to be pre-qualified! A visit was needed by a salesperson, an application processed, etc. Well we though DEMA had a qualification process. Little did we know it was not a qualification process the vendors trusted. So we were in Vegas for a week, money to spend at the show, and no vendors to talk to about opening new lines. If I wanted to place and order with my existing vendors I can do that from home. Save my $1500 and take a trip instead. I went to the Miami show, one full day , walked the floor and left the show to go to Grand Cayman with the Cayman Waterports Association and Scubabowl. Yeah I placed orders, with my existing vendors and left. I skipped Houston and sent my, then, shop manager in my stead. She was able to talk to people, order stuff, and it was her first DEMA so it was great for her. Now DEMA is back in Vegas, and yeah I will probably go. I love the Vegas venue, and even though I don't really benefit all that much by attending, I can't stand the thought that I may miss something! I get all the specials ahead of time now so it is not for that. I guess it's just a way for me to network ( if I can) , see people I know ( now that I am more established), see some stuff I haven't seen yet in person. I don't party and drink so that's not an issue but i do like to play Blackjack. Unless DEMA gets more proactive about the pre-qualifications and encouraging vendors to set up accounts at the show, then I won't be going back unless it is in Vegas. I have found the Vegas show is usually much better attended by Vendors and shop people alike. October or January I don't care . January is better for me because I am not as busy then. Anywho, that's my two cents.
 
Having a Dive industry show in Las Vegas is like having a Ski industry show in Yuma Arizona. There ain't no water there - it's in the middle of the desert - how relevent is that?
 

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