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Rescue or ???

Discussion in 'Advanced Scuba Discussions' started by MissBehavin, Oct 10, 2019.

  1. rhwestfall

    rhwestfall Solo Diver

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    I just remember that is was discussed, the comment being that it was just not effective, and no longer to be attempted.
     
  2. Efka76

    Efka76 Barracuda

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    I really recommend to take PADI Rescue diver course. It includes various various practical rescue scenarios, quite a lot of theoretical knowledge. Also, you will have to pass EFR course as well. I did RD course last year. It was interesting to learn various techniques, to see how hard could be towing of unconscious diver, try to find the best way for you to bring buddy diver to the shore or to the boat.

    I am not a lawyer, however, I understand that passing this course you does not make you liable for other divers as you are not professional diver. However, in different countries there are different legal systems. In UK, if you are member of BSAC you get liability insurance (if I remember correctly, insurance is up to £ 5 million) against various diving related accidents.

    I specifically do not want to go to professional route as I do not want to become liable for various students accidents that might happen. Due to this I am attending various recreational and technical courses. In this case I can improve my diving skills without adding additional liabilities on my shoulders.
     
  3. Bob DBF

    Bob DBF Solo Diver

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    Similar to the changes in doing rescue breaths have been going through. In the past rescue breaths were done as the victim was towed to shore. The last rescue class I was in, it was two rescue breaths and tow, and the emphasis was on getting the victim to shore for proper CPR, not the rescue breaths.

    The reasoning is the same as compressions, it will be, in practice, ineffective and it would delay the victim from treatment.


    Bob
     
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  4. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    In that case either you are misremembering, or that instructor was really crappy and not teaching to standards. In water CPR has not been part of the PADI Rescue class for at least 15 years, if ever. Not an opinion, a verifiable fact.
     
  5. Rooster59

    Rooster59 Solo Diver

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    In-water rescue breaths can be effective. So is there a current consensus as to rescue breaths while towing? Decisions modified by pulse/no pulse, 1 rescuer versus two or more, quick vs longer tow to boat/land. There should be some objective agreement.
     
  6. leadduck

    leadduck Barracuda

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  7. Marie13

    Marie13 Great Lakes Mermaid ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I was taught in water rescue breaths in my SDI rescue class two years ago.
     
  8. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    The underlying criterion is delay time before CPR can commence. Long delays are not good. 5 mins is the breakpoint. If the delay will be long, then rescue breathes might help, so you give them for 1-2 mins and check for responsiveness. If positive reaction to breaths, continue breaths while towing to shore. If no response, tow as fast as possible to get to CPR. PADI says, "The potential disadvantage of giving rescue breaths is that if the victim is in cardiac arrest it may delay starting CPR. There is limited research that suggests the advantages outweigh this potential disadvantage."
     
  9. greeniguana

    greeniguana Angel Fish

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    Just finished PADI rescue. Tough but fun. Airway, breathing, circulation.... forget finding pulse in the water. Just do rescue breaths every 5 seconds. If you miss count, start over. Unresponsive diver is different situation than a land based one. Way I understand it; diver is not responsive because he ran out of O2, which caused his heart to stop. On land, it usually happens the opposite way (unless land guy is choking on chicken bone) Heart stops then O2 is gone. So getting gas in diver lungs is biggest priority. That way if they have even weak pulse, you can be O2 moving around. Administer O2 on boat, defibrilate. No defib machine, do CPR. No O2? Find a nitrox tank.....
     
  10. wetb4igetinthewater

    wetb4igetinthewater Instructor, Scuba

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    If my memory serves me correctly, one of the most frustrating experiences I had before I turned pro was taking PADI's Rescue Diver course and SSI's Stress & Rescue is that they said the OPPOSITE thing when it come to deciding on whether to do rescue breaths. One said if close to shore, do rescue breaths and haul in as fast as you can. If far from shore, skip the rescue breaths. The other said the opposite. You'd think there would be some medical based decision that would ensure that different agencies taught the same thing.
     
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