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Why isn't there a "Men's Forum"?

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by divad, Feb 12, 2017.

  1. Killerflyingbugs

    Killerflyingbugs Solo Diver

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    OH man, I am so glad I don't live near any places like that.
     
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  2. Insta-Gator

    Insta-Gator Blue Whale

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    Men have been saying for centuries that women are more complicated.

    Most of us revel in our simplicity.
     
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  3. Diver0001

    Diver0001 Instructor, Scuba

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    Nope.

    As long as women hide behind fences and play in safe areas then they are undermining everything they have been fighting for. Yes, men don't always play nice. There is sexism. There is misogyny, yes there is chauvinism, but that same dysfunctional behaviour some men show to women they also show to each other.... Women are not special that way! If women want to be a part of that social system then they should not be hiding from it. Excluding men or avoiding interacting with them seems quite counter-productive to the emancipation of women, to my way of thinking.

    So, again... why do we need a woman's forum?
     
  4. Insta-Gator

    Insta-Gator Blue Whale

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    Because they want one.
     
  5. divad

    divad Solo Diver

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    I totally agree.
     
  6. RainPilot

    RainPilot OC/CCR Instructor Trainer Staff Member

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    Most women face issues in this male dominated sport that most men don't. Also, because of the smaller amount of female divers, they have proportionately fewer resources for information.

    If I have a problem with a p valve I can pick up the phone and call any number of male divers I know for an answer. Women don't always have this luxury.

    Creating a safe space for them to be able to reach out for answers is no different from the Green Zones we have for newbies, for many of the same reasons.

    I also use this area as a resource for me. When I get female students I send them a link to that forum because I know they aren't going to be comfortable asking me about a lot of this stuff. Guys? Try get them to stop talking about it.
     
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  7. Damselfish

    Damselfish Solo Diver

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    And that's kind of the bottom line.

    I'm not much for men's or woman's only things in general unless there is a really really good reason, especially if they formally/officially exclude half the planet or create divides where there shouldn't be one. I don't feel strongly one way or the other about this forum. But the forum is not "Women's Only." It's "Women's Perspectives." And there are certainly a fair number of topics that apply only or mostly to woman. Just as there are some that apply specifically to men.

    It's a big board. Forums serve several purposes including helping people find things and just organizing it a bit. Isn't there still a process to follow if you want a new forum? If someone wants a "Men's Perspectives" forum, follow the process and get one made. If not, why whine? (I think it would be a good idea, or at least an interesting experiment. I'm guessing there are more female than male specific topics in diving - aside from the obvious, partly for historical reasons - and this is why no one has bothered. Or maybe some of the other suggested reasons. :wink:

    I don't recall the details of when the Woman's forum was created. I imagine there was a fair amount of agonizing over the name. I'm actually not crazy about the name, as it might appear to discourage men's perspectives on woman's topics - which can be helpful, interesting, funny, or whatever. (And sometimes not, but the TOS and rules should cover that...)
     
  8. Bubblesong

    Bubblesong Marine Scientist

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    Both men's and womens forums are important for parents of opposite gendered kids to learn: for example all the Dad's who want to get their daughters diving, and Mom's with son's. The rule can be that topics may be gender specific but the posters and commenters should not be limited nor derided for gender.
     
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  9. MaxBottomtime

    MaxBottomtime Divemaster

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  10. KevinG58

    KevinG58 Solo Diver

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    There is no fence. Its not women only; it's perspectives. Look, you'll see men post there frequently.
     

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