dir or not dir

[omar]

I did not say halcyon manifold. I do have one, and a couple of sea elite's and dive rite, just got rid of a thermo (200 bar) and will get another (300 bar). They all have the barrel style.

The human factor can not be over looked or ignored. In my opinion it is the single greatest cause of problems.

omar

 

[scuba_guy]

now uncle pug isn't that the typical DIR answer... you do it this way... just because DIR says so.. If DIR said you ahve to jump off a 50 ft' cliff doing a giant stride entry.. i think you would be first in line. The more i read about DIR the mor of a cult i think it is.. sorry

 

[JamesK]

With all due respect, OMS is going to tell you what they want you to hear. They will tell you it is all human error, and even with a double barrel o-ring, you can have human error. However, wouldn't you like to reduce the risk of error? Wouldn't you like to know that if you smack a ceiling of a cave, your manifold has a better chance of not letting go? I know I would.

As for needing to get the halcyon, don't bother. It is too expensive. The SeaElite 300bar manifold is the same thing, even has rubber knobs.

If you want to know why DIR is a better system for most types of cave diving, then the answers are out there. However, such a broad question like the one you ask is very hard to answer. Read up on DIR, and then when you understand the system better, you will be able to answer more specific questions that are easier and shorter to answer.

As for my feelings on DIR, I am not DIR. I dive a DIR style gear configuration, but I have not taken any DIRF training, and I do not conform completely. I am simply a person who sees the benefits of the system.

 

[scuba_guy]

thanks big james for the answer but with DIR having the CEO of hayclon on board. i won't get a straight answer from them either. hence why i ask questions on here.. to get different peoples opinions. i'm like you, alot of things DIR does makes sence. i'm the type of person who like to know WHY.. One thing that does really tick me of is.. DIR saying if your not DIR your dangerous and no one should dive with you. I know a lot of tec divers who are DIR and alot who arn't and in my eyes they are both equally safe to dive with.

 

[WYDT]

Originally posted by scuba_guy
now uncle pug isn't that the typical DIR answer... you do it this way... just because DIR says so.. If DIR said you ahve to jump off a 50 ft' cliff doing a giant stride entry.. i think you would be first in line. The more i read about DIR the mor of a cult i think it is.. sorry

Shesh... I thought this was another troll and I was right.... You just want to argue to be arguing.

Go forth and read. There are VOLUMES of info on DIR and your argument has been rehashed a MILLION times. That may be the reason you're getting short answers here.

If you don't like the name "DIR" then don't use that name. None (or at least not much) of the "stuff" in "DIR" was invented by GI3 and/or JJ. They just brought it all together and it works.

Don't knock it until you've tried it. It makes sense. No one is here telling you to dive DIR or don't dive are they?? You brought this up didn't you??? You want an explanation of why DIR works?? Go read all the info. It's out there in volumes!

TRY IT!! That's my final word on the subject (in this thread).

 

[UncleJT]

Originally posted by WYDT
You want an explanation of why DIR works??

No, what he wants is a Rodales-like review comparing PADI to DIR. ut:

- JT

 

[scuba_guy]

all comments but no answers.. gear does not make for a safe dive. the diver makes for a safe dive. DIR must be comprized of unsafe divers who need to do things a certain way so they feel safe... Think we better start a DIC club... Diving In Comfort...i'm sure there would be lots of lost souls to join as there was for DIR.

 

[WYDT]

Ok, I know I said my last word but I went and dug up some trip reports and such from people who've taken the DIR Fundamentals class. Go read all these and tell us what you think afterward. No not all of these people were DIR to begin with...

This is really my last post on the subject! You can lead a horse to water....

http://www.scubadiving.com/talk/read.php?f=1&i=476324&t=476324

http://www.scubadiving.com/talk/read.php?f=1&i=496639&t=496639

http://www.scubadiving.com/talk/read.php?f=1&i=415690&t=415321

http://www.scubadiving.com/talk/read.php?f=1&i=415321&t=415321

http://www.scubadiving.com/talk/read.php?f=1&i=383744&t=383744

 

[scuba_guy]

Thanks WYDT i read what you posted. DIR is for people wo don't already know how to dive safely and must take the Fundamentals Class to refresh them selves.... everydive , first thing i do is mask removel at 10' and air depletion drills. as for bouyancy, but the time you get into tec diving... that should be perfected.. guess not for some.

 

[WYDT]

Originally posted by scuba_guy
Thanks WYDT i read what you posted. DIR is for people wo don't already know how to dive safely and must take the Fundamentals Class to refresh them selves.... everydive , first thing i do is mask removel at 10' and air depletion drills. as for bouyancy, but the time you get into tec diving... that should be perfected.. guess not for some.

Bait... nahh not takin it!