I apologize, I misunderstood your reference. I agree with you completely on that sentiment.
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I apologize, I misunderstood your reference. I agree with you completely on that sentiment.
MichaelMc
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I've read some of the facebook stuff. The platform seems to encourage more short responses. Which seems not conducive to productive conversation. Just my take. Or it could just be a more visible platform + short responses. Agree on it having more noise.
Not a problem. I should’ve been more clear .
When I see peoples questions about really basic stuff and I see the responses I shake my head at the implication of the extremely low level of training from which these questions and answers are based
How did they recognize it?
From exerience with someody whom I know, by refusing to allow somebody to do OW in a BP/W, and then complaining bitterly when that person turns up for AOW in a BP/W. And the mumbling and accusations about the long hose were a true joy to hear.
We don't use that dive-shop any more.
I found the following on PADI's gear information
If memory serves me correctly, there was an article in one of their training journals about primary vs alternate donate a couple years ago.
Yes. BTW ‘CESA’ isn’t a BSAC taught skill. For sure there are unreported incidents but on club organised dives it is the responsibility of divers to report what happened and for the Dive Manager or Diving Officer to submit an incident report. If someone dies then people notice. You can find the annual reports on the BSAC website , they are worth a read.
You may have misunderstood my intent
I have and dive, 2 BP/W rigs, a SM rig and Jacket. I'm a big fan of BP/W and I would encourage someone to consider it
My issue is when people think that the gear makes the diver. It doesn't
Diving (certainly in the early stages) constant practice to maintain and improve the basic skills of buoyancy propulsion and trim, and then further practice to improve these further - say be able to hold a stop in trim maintaining a constant depth (+/- 24" or 600mm) whilst being task loaded with launching a dsmb or carry out a mask flood and clear.
Far too many people focus on the gear not the skills
I guarantee on a OW rec dive I can Air share a diver all the way up to the surface, using a rental gear set with no problem.
Because I've done it and held the stop. Yes a slightly longer hose would have been nice, but the real skills required was the ability to keep the "victim" calm and be able to control their buoyancy and mine and maintain control of the situation at all times. We even held a SS because there was enough gas
My advice to you is this
Choose your gear wisely, get what works for you and your current environment, remember that as you get more experienced then your gear config will be tweaked in line with that experience and the desire to make different dives. Take baby steps, practice what you've been taught and get it "perfected" before moving on to the next level.
Don't be afraid to question gear configs. Despite what some say, there is no optimum rig that does it all. Each config has advantages and disadvantages, consider both and apply those that work for you with the least downsides for the type of diving you do and the environment you dive in
Be the guy other divers admire rather than laugh at. Remember as soon as you roll in the water, its the diving skills that impress, not the gear type or config
@Diving Dubai - well said.
You clearly have experience on all those rigs, understand the positives and negatives of each and pick based on what is right for a particular use.
Understanding that it is PRACTISE that makes the difference not the gear is the important thing. Long hose might be better for some but I bet those that are using it properly do S-drills every dive. That is unlike the wannabe long hose user who pick it because it is cool but don't understand the logic behind it.
As a number of posters have said, SB is not representative of most divers. Very few make it to the internet, less make it to forums and even fewer make it to SB. That means those that have found SB are likely FAR more motivated than 95-99% of divers out there. Like it or not, most divers out there are vacation divers who likely never see gear from one year to the next. Practising air share? Don't make me laugh - they can barely control their descent/ascend and buoyancy never mind while task loaded.
A long hose, recreational set up makes no sense for me - I only ever dive with people who have traditional rigs. To move to long hose means I would have the issue EVERY dive of trying to explain what it was, how it is used and what to do in the event of a problem.
You clearly have experience on all those rigs, understand the positives and negatives of each and pick based on what is right for a particular use.
Understanding that it is PRACTISE that makes the difference not the gear is the important thing. Long hose might be better for some but I bet those that are using it properly do S-drills every dive. That is unlike the wannabe long hose user who pick it because it is cool but don't understand the logic behind it.
As a number of posters have said, SB is not representative of most divers. Very few make it to the internet, less make it to forums and even fewer make it to SB. That means those that have found SB are likely FAR more motivated than 95-99% of divers out there. Like it or not, most divers out there are vacation divers who likely never see gear from one year to the next. Practising air share? Don't make me laugh - they can barely control their descent/ascend and buoyancy never mind while task loaded.
A long hose, recreational set up makes no sense for me - I only ever dive with people who have traditional rigs. To move to long hose means I would have the issue EVERY dive of trying to explain what it was, how it is used and what to do in the event of a problem.
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