Yellow hoses and Yellow regulator Question

[lairdb]

FWIW, and I haven't drunk the koolaid: a lot of the GUE/DIR/etc. approach is built on doing it right from the beginning, so it doesn't change for more advanced scenarios. Donate what's currently being breathed, period -- otherwise, you could end up with a yellow reg that's attached to an inappropriate gas mix for the current depth, and if the training is "donate/take the yellow", now you have new interesting problems.

 

[stiebs]

I'll second the comment above from @graham p
There is a good chance (almost guaranteed) that your grey reg is a better reg and breathes better than your yellow reg. If I were you, I'd continue to use the grey as a primary.

Depending on the model, the reg may have a pre-dive/dive selector knob as well as a fine adjustment. The alternative may not have the adjustment, and also may be detuned to stop it from free flowing when not in use - this also gives it some breathing resistance.

 

[Lorenzoid]

If you're going to take your training in this setup, consider asking your prospective instructor whether it matters to him/her for purposes of the class. If the instructor says it doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter. Your logic in the original post seems sound to me. If it were me, for simplicity I'd keep it all black and have two identical regulators.

If a panicky diver goes for one of your regulators--and there has been some debate as to which one a panicky diver is most likely to go for--he will likely just go for one without regard to the color of the hose. My guess is a panicky diver won't even see the hose and will have tunnel-vision focused on the reg.

 

[Stoo]

FWIW a 60" hose sucks. If you insist on buying a long hose despite not being an overhead single file exit diver then get a 72" hose so you can comfortably stow the excess under something on your waist harness.

I get continuous flack (well, not really) for not using a long hose in open water. When I ask for a good reason (or any reason) for it, nobody has one, other than if that person cave dives and they just keep the same configuration. I learned to dive long before octopuses were around. Buddy breathing requires close contact and hanging on to the recipients harness. That always struck me as solid thinking.... someone out of air, may be feeling a little on edge... I see no reason why this would change just because the donor now has a sporty spare second stage.

 

[Centrals]

Working on my set up. I am leaning toward a primary reg on a 5 foot hose, coupled with a necklaced secondary. I am favoring the "primary donate" method for sharing air, where I donate my primary and then switch to the necklaced secondary.

Is it general practice to have the "donate" regulator that you would donate to your buddy in an out of air situation either be yellow or to have a yellow hose? If a person sees a yellow regulator, will they rightly assume that that's the one they're going to receive if they need to share air?

I've noticed that octos are generally yellow and often have a yellow hose.

I've also noticed that in the videos I've seen of folks who have a long hose primary, short hose alternate, very few of them have yellow hoses or regulators. Most just have black. These folks, I assume, are all practicing the primary donate method for sharing air. (I have seen a few examples of folks with yellow hoses for their long hose primaries, but it's rare.)

Right now, my primary regulator is grey, but my alternate is yellow. If I am going to use a long hose primary, with a necklaced alternate, will it be a problem if the alternate regulator is yellow? I'm a bit worried about having a yellow regulator as an alternate if I'm planning on sharing my primary.

If I want to go with a long hose primary, necklaced short hose alternate, and I am planning on the primary donate method for sharing air, should I get a different secondary reg that is not yellow?

Hope these questions are intelligible. (I'm still learning the nomenclature for the equipment.)

You are NOT yet certified!
What make you think that your instructor would be happy/impress/thrill to see your set up?
You have all those equipment already? Please turn up in the class with booties, fins, mask and snorkel ONLY and leave the rest at home.

You are buying/planning/thinking too far ahead with your ZERO training on scuba diving. Take one step at a time.

 

[CuzzA]

I get continuous flack (well, not really) for not using a long hose in open water. When I ask for a good reason (or any reason) for it, nobody has one, other than if that person cave dives and they just keep the same configuration. I learned to dive long before octopuses were around. Buddy breathing requires close contact and hanging on to the recipients harness. That always struck me as solid thinking.... someone out of air, may be feeling a little on edge... I see no reason why this would change just because the donor now has a sporty spare second stage.

It's trendy to look like a technical cave diver I guess. At the local spearfishing store you got guys putting fins up to wetsuits to make sure they match. It ain't gonna help you catch more fish, but it might garner a few more likes on Instagram I suppose.

If I didn't occasionally buddy dive I wouldn't have an octo at all. Though I kind of don't being in the Air2 group. HashtagHasn'tKiltMeYet

Anyway, I agree, in the extremely rare event I have to donate gas to an OOG diver I want him or her close so I got a grip on him as most will have a tendency to ignore neutral buoyancy - they just want to get to the surface. The last thing I want is him or her 5 or 6 feet above me ringing my bell with every kick as he's dragging me like a dog on a leash. But to each his own.

 

[Scuba Client]

Working on my set up. I am leaning toward a primary reg on a 5 foot hose, coupled with a necklaced secondary. I am favoring the "primary donate" method for sharing air, where I donate my primary and then switch to the necklaced secondary.

Is it general practice to have the "donate" regulator that you would donate to your buddy in an out of air situation either be yellow or to have a yellow hose? If a person sees a yellow regulator, will they rightly assume that that's the one they're going to receive if they need to share air?

I've noticed that octos are generally yellow and often have a yellow hose.

I've also noticed that in the videos I've seen of folks who have a long hose primary, short hose alternate, very few of them have yellow hoses or regulators. Most just have black. These folks, I assume, are all practicing the primary donate method for sharing air. (I have seen a few examples of folks with yellow hoses for their long hose primaries, but it's rare.)

Right now, my primary regulator is grey, but my alternate is yellow. If I am going to use a long hose primary, with a necklaced alternate, will it be a problem if the alternate regulator is yellow? I'm a bit worried about having a yellow regulator as an alternate if I'm planning on sharing my primary.

If I want to go with a long hose primary, necklaced short hose alternate, and I am planning on the primary donate method for sharing air, should I get a different secondary reg that is not yellow?

Hope these questions are intelligible. (I'm still learning the nomenclature for the equipment.)

Choose the configuration that suits you, not other divers. Having said that, I agree with the others and your method as outlined..

 

[Brett Hatch]

Wait, @ssssnake529 is it true that you are not yet certified? I missed that part, my bad.

If so, no big deal, it's good to hear that you are trying to think things through ahead of time. Demonstrates better sense than a lot of people seem to have. But, at this point, you're probably over-thinking it. Ask your instructor what they think is best, and avoid the urge to buy a bunch of stuff before you even know how to dive yet. Just buy the cheap stuff (mask, gloves, booties, snorkel), everything else is usually included with your instruction.

Once you get a few dives under your belt, come back and we can discuss gear options in more detail. Best of luck on your class, I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

 

[CycleCat]

I would have the regulator and hose you intend to donate yellow. Weather it's the one in your mouth or not. Maybe some divers don't care what color it is, but some do.

 

[Micheal]

Working on my set up. I am leaning toward a primary reg on a 5 foot hose, coupled with a necklaced secondary. I am favoring the "primary donate" method for sharing air, where I donate my primary and then switch to the necklaced secondary.

Is it general practice to have the "donate" regulator that you would donate to your buddy in an out of air situation either be yellow or to have a yellow hose? If a person sees a yellow regulator, will they rightly assume that that's the one they're going to receive if they need to share air?

I've noticed that octos are generally yellow and often have a yellow hose.

I've also noticed that in the videos I've seen of folks who have a long hose primary, short hose alternate, very few of them have yellow hoses or regulators. Most just have black. These folks, I assume, are all practicing the primary donate method for sharing air. (I have seen a few examples of folks with yellow hoses for their long hose primaries, but it's rare.)

Right now, my primary regulator is grey, but my alternate is yellow. If I am going to use a long hose primary, with a necklaced alternate, will it be a problem if the alternate regulator is yellow? I'm a bit worried about having a yellow regulator as an alternate if I'm planning on sharing my primary.

If I want to go with a long hose primary, necklaced short hose alternate, and I am planning on the primary donate method for sharing air, should I get a different secondary reg that is not yellow?

Hope these questions are intelligible. (I'm still learning the nomenclature for the equipment.)

So I do teach Short and Long hose Config to all my open water students.

We use a 22-26 inch necklace and an 84" long hose.

As for Color... Whatever you want. My Configure is all RED. Red meaning Stop, do not touch the instructors stuff. All of my students gear is in color to, we have Blue, Pink, Purple, Black (not a color). The kids like the different color schemes. Better then saying, go gear gear set #1.

The biggest thing on using a long hose is this... Make sure your buddy knows, Grab the one in my mouth.

Here is Reality... in a Real World Out of Air Situation, No diver cares what color your hoses are and Few actually look for it when they need it. Most go straight for the working Reg in your Mouth.