BCD w/integrated weight vs Weight Belt

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First, I've seen just as many lost weight belts as lost weight pockets. So I don't think that is a strong argument for belts.

I used a weight belt exclusively for the first couple of years. Once I tried weight integrated I found I liked it better. I recently tried a borrowed BC with weight belt to see how I liked I and I still like weight integrated best.

If you go weight integrated, I recommend that weight pockets secure with both mechanical and velcro.

Try before you buy.
 
I dive a Scubapro Knighthawk with 8# with a 3mm, 14# with a 5mm, and 20# with a 7mm (all with an 80 Al). Much more weight in cold water and I would think about handiing off some of my weight and/or wearing a weightbelt or harness. If/when I went dry, think I would just switch to BP&W and go with a stainless steel backplate +/- other non-dumpable weight. I weigh quite a lot reboarding a boat with my 7mm set up. So far, so good. The Scubapro weight pockets are very secure and easy to release.
 
I started out with a weight integrated BC. I bought my all my gear before my pool sessions ended. I thought it was the shizzle. Then I got a dry suit and tried to load 28 lbs in the BC. Talk about sucking big time. Made the BC a biatch to get on out of the water, no ballast if I had to ditch the BC, and the thing was unwieldy as hell. Then I started DM training and had to move some to a weight belt to demo it in the pool. My first thought was WTF didn't my instructor tell me about proper weight distribution. Then I moved to a BPW and as an instructor had to demo weight belt all the time. No matter what BC I was in. So I sold the integrated BC and use a belt exclusively now. Or I have plates bolted on to my back plate. Or on the cam bands.

I will never go back to an integrated BC. As good as my Oceanic Probe was it can't compare to the BPW's and Zeagle ET I use now. I have seen too many WI BC's drop a pocket when they shouldn't. I also see a number of them that have the pocket latch covered by fabric. Stupidest design there is. It makes the pockets hard to get back in underwater when the diver is trying to do it by feel. One BC even requires you to undo a buckle manually before you can drop the pocket. You can't just yank it out like would make sense. I'm waiting for that one to kill somebody.

If one chooses to go WI for god's sake don't load all your weight in it. Especially if diving dry or with a heavy wet suit. Think about what you are doing. Many divers are trained to yank both pockets. If you have ten lbs in each and 5 in the trims you are going for a ride. No way around it. Even dropping one is dropping a 1/3 of your ballast. Dumb move. Put maybe 5 lbs in each pocket, 5 in the trim, and the rest on a belt or harness. That way if you do drop one of those expensive to replace pockets you can still do a controlled ascent.
 
I've always found that weight-integrated BCDs tend to reap havoc upon the trim - especially with novice divers.

The best strategy IMHO is to decipher the amount of dumpable weight that you require (to achieve positive buoyancy at any stage in the dive). Put all extra weighting to work for the benefit of trim. BP&W works well with this concept - as the backplate itself helps spread weighting over the length of the upper-torso encouraging a flat, horizontal position. Otherwise, utilise BCD trim pockets (if they exist) or put trim weight pockets onto the cam-bands or harness shoulders.
 
All valid points. I've seen WI weights slip out while diving, also a weight that was stuck and could not be released. The Zeagle rip-cord system is a good one. If you go the WI route be choosy about the design, (there are some bad designs out there) and take the time predive to make sure the weights are positively locked.
 
And before the dive have your buddy yank your pockets out and replace them before you get in the water.That way he/she knows if they have to pulled straight or can be yanked out at any angle.
 
I've used both belt and integrated since the get go. Shortly after OW I added suspenders for the belt and make sure a buddy knows to release the BC wts. I agree with the OP about lugging that (41 pounds with an AL80) up a boat ladder. This was harder on the knees Saturday at age almost 59 than it was when I started at 51. And with the suspenders it would be very difficult to remove the belt to hand up--I suppose I could pull out the BC weights while hanging on the ladder and hand them up. I have no problems with that shore diving of course, and that's as all I do as a DM.
 
First, I've seen just as many lost weight belts as lost weight pockets. So I don't think that is a strong argument for belts.

I used a weight belt exclusively for the first couple of years. Once I tried weight integrated I found I liked it better. I recently tried a borrowed BC with weight belt to see how I liked I and I still like weight integrated best.

If you go weight integrated, I recommend that weight pockets secure with both mechanical and velcro.

Try before you buy.

The reason you see people lose weight belts is because they are using the wrong ones. The reason you see so many people using integrated weights is because their alternative has been the WRONG weight belt.

I can't tell you how many people select a soft weightbelt with lead shot bags that slips and slides around their waist and before the dive is half over, the buckle is located behind them and hidden under the tank. This is a dangerous. They have no access to the buckle to tighten it or to ditch it.

People using normal nylon belts in cold water have a huge problem with suit compression on descent. With integrated weights they don't have to really worry about this.. the BC may get a little sloppy, but it will not fall off them like a weightbelt that has become too loose will. So to these people, the integrated weights have solved the problem.. but the solution is far from optimum in my opinion.

They often compound their problems by using crappy plastic buckles.

The solution to all this nonsense is the use of an elastic rubber belt. They automatically compensate for suit compression (no need to adjust) and the rubber of the belt tends to be tacky, so it does not slide around at all. Basically ALL freedivers know this already, but for some reason, they have not been adopted by the scuba industry. The buckles are also NOt prone to popping open and they do ditch extremely rapidly when opened. In fact, due to the elasticity of the belt and the unique construction and attachment of the buckle, the belt will activelyy "spring" open when the release is triggered. If anybody has to get rid of lead in a hurry, it is a freediver!

As the diving public gets older (and rounder) there is, in many cases, no longer a waist to even hold a nylon belt. There is no wonder people prefer the weights in the BC if the only option they are aware of is a belt that will slide off, spin around, require adjustment during the dive ....or require the thing to be so damn tight on the surface that the buckle is ready to break and they can't breathe properly.

If a diver is using little or no exposure protection, these problems are obviously less acute.

A rubber belt solves many problems and it can be worn in a variety of positions, that will make it more comfortable..for example, it can be worn low on the butt, across the butt or higher across the lower back. What we want to avoid is having a belt very tight across the lower abdomen because this inhibits "belly breathing" which is essential for effective and relaxed respiration. Freedivers know all this..

Why can't scuba divers figure this stuff out?

I personally prefer having a weightbelt because I can use it before scuba diving during freediving with a wetsuit. Integrated weights, kill my back when I change the BC from one tank to another and make the tank itself harder to manage. Use of weight integrated BC in coldwater also presents some complications if you remove the BC/scuba unit to address an entanglement issue... The diver will be buoyant and the scuba unit will be very negative... an unnessary hindrance during a potentially stressful situation. I won't say it is unsafe, but it is NOT desirable.

I have no problems with some weights being integrated, but I much prefer a rubber weightbelt.
 
I think that is a personal preference.

However IMO training new divers, I believe a wt. integrated B.C. is much easier and more comfortable for my students.
 
I believe a wt. integrated B.C. is much easier and more comfortable for my students.

Ease and comfort are two factors to be considered. Other factors should include safety, security and ability to gain proper trim and streamlining.

For ease and comfort alone, you cannot beat simply stuffing weights into the BCD pockets :wink:

Without doubt, weight-integrated are certainly easier for the instructor...

They also command more profitability for scuba retailers... which is, I think, a debatable reason why they are so commonly recommended.
 
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