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nereas:Indeed! My youngest sister was actually born in a cab. My dear old mother loves telling that story!
I'll bet she does!!
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nereas:Indeed! My youngest sister was actually born in a cab. My dear old mother loves telling that story!
gcbryan:I think an argument could be made that 10 dives to 150-180 fsw on air would be a prudent thing for anyone planning on diving regularly in the 100-120 fsw range. If you don't dive where a down draft or malfunction could take you to those depths then perhaps it isn't useful otherwise I think a good argument can be made.
I think the thrust of the responses are that **** happens and that you can´t prepare for/train/prevent all **** that can happen, so focus on the stuff that maximizes the utility of the limited resources you have for prevention, most people seem to think that narcosis isn´t one of those things.gcbryan:As I understand it the thrust of the responses so far seems to be to deny that "stuff" happens and to exaggerate the admittedly negative effects of narcosis.
My use of the word training in my mind also includes self training as was mentioned by an earlier poster which I have personally done.
Thinking outside the box would seem to be what's missing here. Deal with some narcosis under more controlled circumstances in case you ever need to under less controlled circumstances not because deep air is a great goal is my point here.
grazie42:I think the thrust of the responses are that **** happens and that you can´t prepare for/train/prevent all **** that can happen, so focus on the stuff that maximizes the utility of the limited resources you have for prevention, most people seem to think that narcosis isn´t one of those things.
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As the nature of the narcosis you experience is as much about the "state of mind" of the diver as anything else (in my limited experience), unless you can convince yourself that your buddy really is plummeting to the depths and that you´re both on an al80. I have a hard time seeing how any "training" is going to help you deal with those kinds of issues, even if I were to disregard my opinion that adaption to narcosis is impossible...
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What I am trying to say is:gcbryan:I disagree with your conclusions but you have stated that point of view well.
As an aside, however, I have no idea what you are trying to say in your last paragraph ...unless you can convince yourself that your buddy really is plummeting to the depths and that you´re both on an al80.
If I can convince myself of that then what (not that I would be on an Al80)?
grazie42:What I am trying to say is:
-In the scenario discussed I got the impression that it was "a single tank dive gone wrong". I´d therefore assume that not only would going to 180ft give you a fair dose of narcosis, but you´d also run a big risk of going OOA before surfacing and that a fair amount of psychological stress (your friend isn´t responsive uw) would be involved.
If you can´t induce that "psychological stress" in your "training", will that training really be of much use when it does happen? As my limited experience tells me that my "state of mind" and how I deal with the different stimuli effect my narcosis as much or more than the depth/gas equation...
Such as? You have yet to show one skill taught in OW that is not needed and yet we see no need to dive deep to rescue a buddy.gcbryan:This isn't about me. I'm interested more in why many things that are less likely to happen are trained for and this particular possible event isn't.
I haven't jumped off a cliff or shot myself in the foot either. Somehow, I can DEDUCE that this is bad for you without putting myself in danger.gcbryan:I'm also interested in why some who have never done this type of training are so sure that it isn't a good idea?
You surely don't know my diiving experience and I am not going to participate in a "who's done it deepest" discussion.gcbryan:Or why those who have gone to a certain depth once are sure it isn't a good idea just based on one experience?
No, this has nothing to do with thinking "outside the box" and everything to do with denial of the nascent dangers.gcbryan:Thinking outside the box would seem to be what's missing here.