Dive Dangers; The Differentiation between "SOLO" and "BUDDY"

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Even though I am a supporter of qualified people solo diving, I’m not sure that is a well-informed reference. SEALs are well-known for watching each other’s backs. Their willingness to put their life on the line for shipmates is legendary. Granted, a SEAL’s use of the buddy system is far different than the high dependency on buddies that dominates today’s liability-obsessed recreational curriculums.

I believe that the SEALs emphasize the use and importance of 'swim/dive buddies' from the very first day of pre-BUD/s. "Grab a swim-buddy and hit the water!". Obviously, their modus operandi develops self-reliance to the extreme, but they still maintain swimming pairs as a base foundation for safety and effectiveness.

I just don't see the 'contingency liability' in having a buddy. It remains the individual divers' responsibility to make any and all decisions that influence their safety in the water. If something goes wrong within a buddy pair, then the prime dictate of rescue training still applies; "Don't take risks that can turn you, the rescuer, into a victim".

As a full-time, working, dive pro, I get into the water on a daily basis with strangers... and yet, I've never once feared that my dive buddies' relative skills, or lack of, endanger me. The basis for this is my own competence and the fact that I do such dives well within the limits of my own comfort and capability zone. Over the years, I've had the misfortune to dive with some very poor calibre divers, who were a danger to themselves. That did not make them a danger to me.

As a 'good buddy', I fail to see any circumstance where the actions or inactions of a buddy could threaten my survival. I plan for my own safety - and, out of necessity, that includes planning for the safety of my buddy.

Buddy runs out of air... no problem, I have plenty.
Buddy panics... no problem, I am calm and in control.
Buddy has little awareness... no problem, I have eyes for both of us.
etc etc etc

As Bob said, diving solo shouldn't be a substitute for having good buddy skills. In fact, it is the very skills and capabilities that make me a good buddy that also make me a competent and safe solo diver.
 
As a 'good buddy', I fail to see any circumstance where the actions or inactions of a buddy could threaten my survival. I plan for my own safety

Exactly!!

- and, out of necessity, that includes planning for the safety of my buddy.

As much as you realistically can.

Buddy runs out of air... no problem, I have plenty.
Buddy panics... no problem, I am calm and in control.
Buddy has little awareness... no problem, I have eyes for both of us.
etc etc etc

But for any of the above to be realistically effective, your buddy would have to be directly in front of you for constant monitoring, or a few feet off either shoulder for effective response if he gets into trouble. How often do divers really dive in that configuration? I once blew a fin strap on a dive, and my buddy didn't know it for several minutes. He disappeared into the green, but returned several minutes to relocate me. Out of air situations or medical problems happen in a blink. If you are not aware or within a response distance from your buddy, he's got a problem. The quarry I dive in Ohio is deep and cold. When accidents happen there (usually a frozen reg.) the buddy diver(s) usually "lost" the victim; just like I was "lost" when I lost my fin. In other words, they were not aware of his the problem until after the fact. Either the "victim" was able to get out of the situation himself and surface--much to the relief of his buddy(s), or the situation becomes a recovery. We can take all the precautions possible, but in reality we are solo when diving. If we approach each dive with that reality in mind, we will be more aware as we inspect (before each dive) equipment, and properly maintain our life-support equipment, and on a regular basis practice emergency situations with buddies (or with yourself) like passing off primary regs, switching to backup reg, breathing off a free flow reg, and switching to your pony reg or alternate air source. These are all physical movements that your body should be trained to accomplished in an instant and only regular practice will give you the confidence if an emergency develops. My $.02.


As Bob said, diving solo shouldn't be a substitute for having good buddy skills. In fact, it is the very skills and capabilities that make me a good buddy that also make me a competent and safe solo diver.
Absolutely!
 
I believe that the SEALs emphasize the use and importance of 'swim/dive buddies' from the very first day of pre-BUD/s. "Grab a swim-buddy and hit the water!". Obviously, their modus operandi develops self-reliance to the extreme, but they still maintain swimming pairs as a base foundation for safety and effectiveness…

Actually it is more about dedication to the team than a buddy. It has little to do with the individual receiving help and as opposed to assisting teammates.

…I just don't see the 'contingency liability' in having a buddy.…

The contingent liability is pretty simple. If your buddy panics on you unexpectedly, you are in a greater danger than if he doesn’t. If you buddy needs assistance, you have an obligation to assist in addition to everything that could put you in distress during a normal dive. I’m not debating that there are potential reciprocal benefits when tables are turned, but the risks are not exactly the same.

A solo diver has zero risk of their buddy trying to climb on their head like a life buoy, suck their bottles down like a steam engine, or make any implied demands on you. Obviously, solo diving also has risk factors that are much higher compared to good buddy team. The objective of my reply was that everyone is better served with a full understanding of risks with both methods.

…It remains the individual divers' responsibility to make any and all decisions that influence their safety in the water. If something goes wrong within a buddy pair, then the prime dictate of rescue training still applies; "Don't take risks that can turn you, the rescuer, into a victim".…

That’s true for buddies who are professionals with rescue training and 2500-5000 dives. What about the two people who are on their first dive after Scuba 101?

…As Bob said, diving solo shouldn't be a substitute for having good buddy skills..…

The quibble in my response had more to do with accurate failure analysis than your general concepts. Besides, it is fine to say “shouldn't”, but wholly irrelevant. Divers need to prepare for what can and does happen. If all the things that happen all the time but shouldn’t magically stopped, there would be no diving-specific fatalities (as opposed to unforeseen medical conditions).

I do take exception to what is in my view teaching excessive dependence on a buddy without also teaching the skills required to actually be a competent rescuer in a crisis. This is not directed at any individual instructor as opposed to the agencies their curriculum. It isn’t about great instructors who are generous with their time; it’s about the average and poor instructors with very little training time to compensate for their limitations.

…In fact, it is the very skills and capabilities that make me a good buddy that also make me a competent and safe solo diver.

Not entirely. A competent solo diver does not need such extensive rescue skills. They also don’t need to be attentive to another diver, remember hand signals, be competent at gas sharing, or most first-aid skills. Their self-reliance skills need to be much stronger.
 
the dangers most certainly AREN'T different!

Sorry, but you are very wrong. A buddy can save your ass but a buddy can also get you (both) killed. This is especially true for penetration diving.

A real life incident from a couple of weeks ago: A buddy silted up the Harper tunnel due to poor buoyancy control causing complete loss of visibility. The team found its way out by following the line blind but it could have ended badly. This is a danger that a solo diver would not have had.
 
But for any of the above to be realistically effective, your buddy would have to be directly in front of you for constant monitoring, or a few feet off either shoulder for effective response if he gets into trouble. How often do divers really dive in that configuration?

I teach divers to maintain their buddy within their field of vision. You don't need someone directly in front of you - just in the corner of your eye. Establish a routine of regular positive observation... every few seconds, scan your blind-spots. It's not that hard and it swiftly becomes an ingrained and sub-conscious process. You just have to focus on maintaining it at first, but like any good skill - practice makes perfect.

I dive as a leader every day, often in low viz (1-10m), dark water and on wrecks (sharp turns, level changes etc). I don't have a problem monitoring my customer divers, so it's obviously not a physical impossibility. After a dive, I will often volunteer feedback for divers, to help them tune and refine their diving. They're normally shocked at how much I observed "whilst up front finning along".

Obviously, it does get easier with experience, but the main factor is probably that I feel that I have a formal responsibility for their welfare - and consequently monitoring/assisting is high on my priority list. If someone is having difficulties with monitoring their buddy, then I'd suggest that they look at their prioritisation in the first instance.

How often do divers really dive in that configuration?

I'd say that's entirely dependant on their commitment to safe buddy diving, personal responsibility and their training.

The majority of divers may not dive in a manner that ensures good monitoring and preserves the ability of offer timely assistance. That is a failing. Failings should not be used to justify further failings. A bad buddy diver should not become a solo diver.

However, it always takes two to tango. Even if only one member of a buddy team is observant and pro-active, then incidents can be avoided.

Actually it is more about dedication to the team than a buddy. It has little to do with the individual receiving help and as opposed to assisting teammates.

It's late here, so I may be a little dense - but what's the difference in practice?

A BUD/S trainee doesn't get in the water without his swim-mate, even for punishments. At least within the training environment, it is a safety measure. Operationally, that same practice becomes more mission orientated - but nonetheless, they look after eachother lest bad things happen.

The contingent liability is pretty simple. If your buddy panics on you unexpectedly, you are in a greater danger than if he doesn’t. If you buddy needs assistance, you have an obligation to assist in addition to everything that could put you in distress during a normal dive. I’m not debating that there are potential reciprocal benefits when tables are turned, but the risks are not exactly the same.

Ok, I'll accept that. I still think that it bows to a pessimism that the diver concerned cannot pro-actively safe-guard their own welfare and is consequently 'at the whim' of their buddies' capabilities.

I earlier mentioned 'diving within comfort zones'... also being pro-active and observant. In 20 years of diving I have had only 2 cases of a 'buddy' panicking on me. One was my first, unsupervised, dive as an OW graduate with a fellow OW diver. They got 'tunnel vision' when dealing with something and lost control of buoyancy. I ascended slightly, grabbed them, got their attention and helped them regain control and focus. The second was as a newly certified instructor - conducting a 'scuba review' with a ~50 dive AOW diver. She panicked on the mask clearance and bolted. I hadn't expected that, but I stopped her anyway and escorted her slowly to the surface.

Nowadays there is no 'unexpected' panic. I monitor effectively and assist pro-actively... and it doesn't happen. I don't feel that fellow divers are a risk to me... but they are a resource that I can access, or direct, if needs be.

A solo diver has zero risk of their buddy trying to climb on their head like a life buoy, suck their bottles down like a steam engine, or make any implied demands on you. Obviously, solo diving also has risk factors that are much higher compared to good buddy team. The objective of my reply was that everyone is better served with a full understanding of risks with both methods.

It's a fair point... and I'd even say that it was substantiated by the number of 'double fatality' scuba incidents recorded. That said, it wasn't having a buddy the killed anyone... it was having a lack of buddy/dive skills.

Dive skills is what matters... and that is equal whether diving in a team, a pair or alone.

That’s true for buddies who are professionals with rescue training and 2500-5000 dives. What about the two people who are on their first dive after Scuba 101?

Again.. it's a skills issue, not a buddy/team/solo issue.

I do take exception to what is in my view teaching excessive dependence on a buddy without also teaching the skills required to actually be a competent rescuer in a crisis

I'd go further - I take exception to teaching dependence on a buddy, without teaching how to be a buddy. There's nothing formalised in the PADI OW course that develops the buddy system. I don't count 'air-sharing' as learning to buddy dive. It's reactive, not proactive.

This is not directed at any individual instructor as opposed to the agencies their curriculum. It isn’t about great instructors who are generous with their time; it’s about the average and poor instructors with very little training time to compensate for their limitations.

Agreed. In reference to my last point - with nothing formalised in the system to develop buddy skills, nothing will be taught by 'average or poor instructors'. For that reason, it doesn't surprise me that the general (greater) level of buddy skills is so atrocious amongst recreational divers.

A competent solo diver does not need such extensive rescue skills. They also don’t need to be attentive to another diver, remember hand signals, be competent at gas sharing, or most first-aid skills. Their self-reliance skills need to be much stronger.

Personally, I think it's harder to look after another, than to look after oneself. Doing it properly develops a level of competence, a robust skill-set, a pro-active mind-set and a degree of self-reliance that does actually prepare one for the demands of solo diving.

If you can keep yourself and your lesser skilled buddy​ safe... then you can certainly keep yourself safe when alone.
 
This is especially true for penetration diving.

I'd say that penetration diving had very different requirements, risks and considerations.... thus making it an exception from the general buddy/solo open-water/recreational diving debate.
 
I'd say that penetration diving had very different requirements, risks and considerations.... thus making it an exception from the general buddy/solo open-water/recreational diving debate.

So why does PADI tell its students to abandon the buddy system and do a CESA (self-rescue, i.e. solo diving) in preference to a buddy breathing ascent? Is this also an exception?
 
ermaclob..... i jsut reread your OP. after reading the whole thread it of couse reads different in light of the follow up comments.



**the main point in this post is that the dangers of diving are always constant regardless whether you dive with someone or not there there ,


YES

so Y would it matter if your with a buddy or not? w

IT SHOULD NOT

Wouldn't the smarter thing to do be to just be ready for things to happen and be able to solve them your self?


YES


And if you can do it with another diving beside you all the better
 
So why does PADI tell its students to abandon the buddy system and do a CESA (self-rescue, i.e. solo diving) in preference to a buddy breathing ascent? Is this also an exception?

They don't say that. You have incorrectly interpreted/recalled how the process of OOA emergencies should be managed.
 
They don't say that. You have incorrectly interpreted/recalled how the process of OOA emergencies should be managed.

No. I am correct. Perhaps you are confused between an alternate air source ascent versus a buddy breathing ascent.

In the PADI OW training, the order of priority when low on/out of air is:

1. normal ascent
2. alternate air source ascent
3. controlled emergency swimming ascent (CESA)
4. buddy breathing ascent (buddy with no alternate)
5. buoyant emergency ascent.
 
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