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Fire on safari boat Suzana in Egypt (Red Sea Aggressor)

Discussion in 'Accidents and Incidents' started by Miyaru, Nov 1, 2019.

  1. Wookie

    Wookie Secret Field Agent ScubaBoard Business Sponsor

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    I would have no issues choosing an Aggressor boat. If I went on Liveaboards.
     
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  2. nippurmagnum

    nippurmagnum Barracuda

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    A previous post noted that Aggressor is already acquiring a new boat to replace the one that just burned, and telling customers with future bookings that it would be business as usual.

    Tylenol survived the cyanide tampering incident by recalling every single bottle of Tylenol, improving safety significantly, and explaining what they had done to the public. They earned decades worth of good will by doing that.

    The Aggressor brand is not doing itself any favors.
     
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  3. Scott from LongIsland

    Scott from LongIsland Barracuda

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    I think that it's better to maybe have both? In the Dancer disaster the boat was flipped and the passengers had to swim out. Those that survived at least. A phone flashlight would not suffice in that situation. I think a more powerful and waterproof flashlight would also be much more effective if having to jump off the boat at night. It would help rescue boats locate you and just be helpful to have. After hearing of the rescue zodiacs picking people up i think that a flashlight would also help so that they don't accidentally run you over during a search. It is hard enough to see people during the day.

    It's shocking to me but that the Facebook page for the Red Sea Aggressor makes zero mention of this. When the Siren boat went down last year at least they addressed the matter publicly. It's just morally wrong not to make any mention of it. That is where I take issue with Aggressor. Laws and liability aside...it is just wrong to pretend like this incident never happened. Wayne or Wayne should step up to the plate here. This isn't some AC not working or a boat that needs work. Someone died here. Do the right thing.
     
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  4. dwerner

    dwerner Garibaldi

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    No I was not aware of that... Thanks for info! Hopefully this latest event will create and enforce well needed safety rules. I think one of the most important rules is to have a person awake all night and on active watch. IMHO this might have saved many of the passengers on the Conception and the person in this instance.
     
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  5. Fastmarc

    Fastmarc Just drifting along... ScubaBoard Supporter

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    This person would have no other duties but this? I wondering if that is the case typically. How would someone do other activities during the day and then stay up all night?
     
  6. Roz

    Roz Scuba Media & Publications

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    The Conception fire made the mainstream media in the UK. It was extensively covered by the TV, Radio and the newspapers. It did make the morning breakfast headlines. There was mis-reporting, but that is what happens when the mainstream media cover a diving story.

    I wrote up two long pieces about the Conception Fire for X-Ray Mag. (This is the world's first digital diving magazine, and doesn't hide its stories behind a pay wall).

    You can access both stories for free by following these links.

    Californian Dive Boat Fatal Fire

    NTSB releases preliminary report on the Conception Fire

    I said at the time, and I will reiterate it again, the Mods did a superb job keeping the Conception threads on track and beautifully curated during a challenging time. I was one degree of separation from six on that boat. I am sure the Mods will have known folks on the Conception.

    I am disturbed that it appears the Aggressor Fleet did not allegedly treat the Conception fire as a wake up call and review their whole fleet state, safety and equipment following the Californian fire.
     
  7. Pelicanne

    Pelicanne Solo Diver

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    I am heartbroken to hear of your loss. Sending thoughts and prayers, and wishing you justice, peace and closure.
     
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  8. Wookie

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    They wouldn't and no one would expect them to. The night watch may also navigate the vessel if it needs to go somewhere, but aside from that, they are the night watch.
     
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  9. Fastmarc

    Fastmarc Just drifting along... ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Ok, makes sense, so those who have done LOB's would have noticed an extra hand only surfacing at night then.
     
  10. Urmama

    Urmama Garibaldi

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    Uhm.. You can also have several shifts each night, so that they would still be able to perform other Jobs during day time.
     

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