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if you want to stand on a sandy bottom in open water I don't see anything wrong with that. I'm curious what bad thing happens when you do that?
I presume you don't see anything wrong with standing on a coral reef, either?
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just for the fun of it. Because diving is supposed to be fun, and if you can't goof off once in a while, what's the point?
Great comment! I really want my diving to be fun, as well, and I just love to goof off. In fact, what I really like to do is grab onto a big sea turtle and ride it for as long as I can, or until it gets tired, after which i grab another one, and continue my ride. That is a lot of fun - for me - and that's what my diving is all about - me.

Addendum: after posting, and thinking about it, I realize that my comments, above, could be considered the electronic equivalent of tossing a turd in the punch bowl. So, let me add some clarification.

Yes, I am being both sarcastic, and facetious - specifically, i would never 'ride' a sea turtle, although I enjoy having fun and goofing off as much as the next person. I might 'ride' a dive buddy without their knowledge until s/he realized why they were making so poor headway swimming underwater.

Why would any one assume that it is somehow OK to stand on a sandy bottom, when they would cringe at the thought of standing on a coral reef? I am continually amazed at how vibrant the supposedly 'barren' sandy bottom really is. There is a lot of marine life inhabiting that ostensibly lifeless sandy bottom, and standing on the bottom harms that environment, just as standing on a reef does. My own training agency has produced videos that we use in IDC instruction, which attempts to show how an instructor demonstrates 'environmental awareness', by having students move from an area next to a coral reef, to a sandy open area, to conduct OW skills. The implied message - disturbing the sandy bottom is OK. And, that is simply not true. The bigger question - why would you ever want to stand on the bottom, sandy or otherwise, anyway? What about the innumerable threads on SB emphasizing the importance of good buoyancy control, and decrying the idea of having dive students conduct skills while planted on the bottom (pool, or open water)? Why does 'having fun', or 'goofing off' have to come at the expense of the marine environment? Is that our way of saying, 'Sorry, garden eels, we'll just stand on your house because - well, because we are bigger than you and we can, and there's nothing you can do about it'?

But, Bob's original point is also being missed in some of the reactions. Why would a dive publication, that intends to provide role model information for divers - new and old - show a picture of divers standing on the bottom? The message is pretty explicit - this is acceptable, role model, behavior. It is not. I think the picture was staged to provide a 'cute' aquatic equivalent of a picture of two people standing on a street corner on shore and wondering which way to go. OK, 10 out of 10 for good intention, 0 out of 10 for execution. Bob rightfully asks, who on the editorial staff of Dive Training magazine is minding the store, and paying attention? That has nothing to do with being puritanical. The question is not about political correctness, it is about the responsibility of not just persons such as dive professionals, but also impersonal entities, such as publications, continuing to promote good diving behavior.

How would SB members react to a DAN-produced video, intended to emphasize the importance of good hydration, which showed divers on a boat drinking bottled water, and simply throwing the empty plastic bottles over the side?
 
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I presume you don't see anything wrong with standing on a coral reef, either? Great comment! I really want my diving to be fun, as well, and I just love to goof off. In fact, what I really like to do is grab onto a big sea turtle and ride it for as long as I can, or until it gets tired, after which i grab another one, and continue my ride. That is a lot of fun - for me - and that's what my diving is all about - me.

Hyperbole and excluded middle FTW.

So, if someone chooses to put their feet down on a sandy bottom in the middle of freakin' nowhere, he's automatically condoning wrecking delicate reefs and harassing wildlife? Get real!


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... I saw several people standing on the bottom at some of the reefs I visited in the Red Sea. The bottom was not sandy ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

Burned in my retina is the image I saw of a couple of <ethnic stereotype omitted> divers standing upright on the coral at Sipadan, holding hands, posing for a picture. I doubt that kind of diver reads Dive Training or Alert Diver.
 
Why does 'having fun', or 'goofing off' have to come at the expense of the marine environment?

This is a good point and also a lot better phrased than your initial post.

However, all our outdoor activities influence the nature. We have to realize that and use common sense. If I'm diving a site with a lot of activity I might be as inflexible as you give the impression of being. When I'm diving a popular site around here - "popular" means it's dived perhaps a dozen times in one season - I don't harvest. However, there are a large number of places where the environment might see one or at most two buddy pairs in a whole year, and I have absolutely no problems taking as many scallops I need and spearing any wolffish I see there. Similarly, I wouldn't see a problem with someone standing on the sand here, because in a month the first winter storm will disturb that bottom all over the place, not just the couple of square meters my buddy stepped on.

Care for the environment, but use your noggin'. Environazis do more harm than good, because they pi$$ off quite a few of those who otherwise might learn something about sensible and environmental-friendly outdoor activities.



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Burned in my retina is the image I saw of a couple of <ethnic stereotype omitted> divers standing upright on the coral at Sipadan, holding hands, posing for a picture. I doubt that kind of diver reads Dive Training or Alert Diver.

I saw a group of seven divers on Sipadan sitting on the coral, while having their picture taken by the DM, who was kneeling on the coral as well.
 
you get smacked up side the head by a photographer for stirring up the silt and screwing up the viz....

I get the criticism, it's about teaching good buoyancy habits. Most of the time one should be neutrally buoyant and stay away from the bottom.

With regards to photography, most find it easier to maintain a more vertical position because best photos are taken horizontally or pointing up, not down. Also it's often easier to steady the camera by stabilizing against a non living part of the bottom.
 
However, all our outdoor activities influence the nature. We have to realize that and use common sense. ....... Environazis do more harm than good, because they pi$$ off quite a few of those who otherwise might learn something about sensible and environmental-friendly outdoor activities.

And those environazis are hypocrites. They keep exhaling CO2 into the atmosphere which contributes to global warming. :D
 


Why would any one assume that it is somehow OK to stand on a sandy bottom, when they would cringe at the thought of standing on a coral reef?

You can't be serious... At what depth does walking in the sand begin to hurt the environment?
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I get the criticism, it's about teaching good buoyancy habits. Most of the time one should be neutrally buoyant and stay away from the bottom.

With regards to photography, most find it easier to maintain a more vertical position because best photos are taken horizontally or pointing up, not down. Also it's often easier to steady the camera by stabilizing against a non living part of the bottom.

It's not that difficult to maintain a vertical position and still manage to stay off the bottom ... and get that optimal angle even when your subjects are relatively close to the bottom. Besides ... you're in a weightless environment ... why not have some fun with it ...

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What has gone wrong with our diving publications?

First it was Dive Training ... featuring an article on underwater navigation with this picture ...

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I can’t get wound up over this one, they are standing next to the anchor that is partially dug in. Anchors are a lot tougher on reefs than divers ever could be.
 
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