Number of dives metric

[mathauck0814]

And also the fact that master diver certification itself has no value. Why? Because it's not standardized.

To this I would add: It doesn't offer you any specific identifiable knowledge with which to dive differently or better. In this particular case, the Master Diver has exactly the same knowledge as the non-Master Diver who completed Rescue & 5 specialties.

 

[tursiops]

To this I would add: It doesn't offer you any specific identifiable knowledge with which to dive differently or better. In this particular case, the Master Diver has exactly the same knowledge as the non-Master Diver who completed Rescue & 5 specialties.

....and 50 dives.

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[EFX]

Different agencies have different standards for designations by the same name. I'm a NAUI instructor, and was in fact at one time a NAUI Master Diver. In the NAUI system it's a real course ... made so not through the purchase of specialty classes, but by course content specific to a Master Diver class and designated skills mandated for that level fo diving. In other words, you don't just send them $50 and receive the badge. In the NAUI system, Master Diver is the diving skills portion of their DM designation ... so it does exactly what you indicate some people want ... provide a path to pursue the diving skills of a pro without having to deal with the leadership and liability issues. SEI has a similar Master Diver designation based on the requirements of the old YMCA program from which they were created. Other agencies may, as well ... but I'm not familiar with the specifics of those agencies.... Bob (Grateful Diver)

The same ideas have been expressed time and again in other threads and besides being of purely academic interest are beginning to come across as only so much noise.

I concede. A NAUI master diver rating means more than a PADI master diver rating which apparently looks only slightly better than a flat warm beer on a 100 degree day.

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To this I would add: It doesn't offer you any specific identifiable knowledge with which to dive differently or better. In this particular case, the Master Diver has exactly the same knowledge as the non-Master Diver who completed Rescue & 5 specialties.

Yes. But instead of pulling out my rescue plus 5 specialty cert cards I only have to show them 1 card. Yeah, I paid the fee, but being a relatively new diver I thought it was cool to get the rating. I'm starting to dive with doubles in a partial DIR config (7 ft primary with bungee backup, hoses all streamlined, etc.). I'm thinking of taking the Intro to Tech course but want to get the skills down (buoyancy, propulsion) first. I'm diving with a cave 3 certified diver so I've got a good mentor.

 

[mathauck0814]

Yes. But instead of pulling out my rescue plus 5 specialty cert cards I only have to show them 1 card.

Which dive boat/shop required you to show them all those cards and what were you trying to obtain at the time?

 

[SamRobertshaw1]

RAID has made their divers require hours underwater to be able to continue their education.

Having said that to be advanced you only need to have accumulated 4 hours underwater to undertake that certification. So only 8 dives for 30 minutes for example, in my opinion not a lot.

The subject of dives counting for how good you are, i think is a bit hit and miss. There have been many times i've taken divers underwater with 250+ dives and they've been a worse diver than someone with 20 sometimes. Unfortunately then that means that that diver with only 20 dives doesn't get a chance to do sites like Thistlegorm or Ras Mohammad, for example, where some dive centres require divers to have at least 50 dives.

No matter how many dives someone has done I always like to do "check dives" that's the best way to gauge someone's ability. As for being an "Advanced" diver after so little experience.........not my favorite. But that's just my personal opinion

 

[Dr. Lecter]

Dive time does seem to be used in areas where a given dive can be significantly longer, sometimes many hours longer, than a normal rec dive. CCR mod 2/3 courses usually have both hours and dive number prereqs.

 

[EFX]

Which dive boat/shop required you to show them all those cards and what were you trying to obtain at the time?

Go to any dive shops web site (those that do charters) and pull up their disclaimer form and at the bottom you will find these questions: what is your certifying agency, what level is your certification, and what is your deepest dive? Instead of listing rescue with 5 specialties I simply write master diver.

 

[Redshift]

The problem is that doesn't mean anything specific. You could have done fish ID, underwater photo, videographer, coral reef conservation, project aware specialist, or some distinctive specialties like Zombie Apocalypse Diver or underwater wedding. What would you know about diving? How would those specialties prepare you for more advanced diving?

 

[mathauck0814]

Go to any dive shops web site (those that do charters) and pull up their disclaimer form and at the bottom you will find these questions: what is your certifying agency, what level is your certification, and what is your deepest dive? Instead of listing rescue with 5 specialties I simply write master diver.

Geesh, to this day I usually just write "Nitrox diver" (because I'd like them to give me the gas I want). Didn't realize anyone wrote out a diving resume on a liability waiver. Since there's no experience minimum or explicit depth rating to Master Diver, I'm still not sure what good a shop would glean from knowing that. I guess you're either qualified to dive to 100 or 130 feet depending on whether or not you did deep as a specialty... but then, why wouldn't you just write "Deep"?

 

[Redshift]

Apparently all OW divers are qualified to dive to 130 feet since that is the recreational dive limit. The shallower depths are just for training standards and a recommendation until they gain experience... That's what I've read on other threads...